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Celebrating Legacies: Tina Turner's Legacy & Carmelo Anthony's Impact

• Jeff and Anthony • Episode 138

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Join us as we delve into the remarkable legacies of two iconic figures in their respective fields. In this episode, we pay tribute to the incomparable Tina Turner, reflecting on her enduring impact on the music industry and her trailblazing career. We also explore the influential journey of basketball legend Carmelo Anthony, examining his contributions and the indelible mark he has left on the sport. Join the conversation as we celebrate their legacies and discuss the lasting influence they have had on the world.

Also Discussed:

  • Tina Turner dead at 83
  • Who are today's legacy acts?
  • A Nas and Tupac album?
  • Desperation leads to success
  • Taylor Swift fans are crazy
  • Culture weed brand
  • Eric B talks about Death Row East
  • Did an era die with Carmelo's retirement?

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Jeff:

to another episode of the culture, it's your boy Jeff, my co host Anthony.

Anthony:

Welcome to the life and times of white people as a great title, The Life and Times of white people

Jeff:

now answer for white people today.

Anthony:

No cool couple for I know we're not before we even get into that, you know, because you were talking about white people some other shit we're talking about. They're like, you see how white people and crazy Taylor Swift shit?

Jeff:

I haven't heard about that. What is it a concert.

Anthony:

She performed that Meadowlands yesterday and today, well, ya know, Friday and Saturday. And it was out there like five, six hours before the show. They were out there tailgating. They had tents up and shit listening to Taylor Swift treating, like war stories from CIT and it was packed. It was even all over the news. Crazy. They're loyal as fuck to. And you don't necessarily want anything? Because because we're going to talk about somebody who passed. So it's like, it's the whole loyalty question is it's that frame of mind. Okay, remind me that

Jeff:

I have a co worker who bought tickets like at the beginning when they would have an issues with Ticketmaster. I have a co worker who was like in the fan club or something. So she had like early access to the tickets. So she managed to get a bunch of tickets for like her her daughter and all her friends or whatever.

Anthony:

Did she tell you how much

Jeff:

Yeah, I think she I think it was some it was cheap, though. You know, take as it was before the whole shoot went crazy, right? So I remember telling her like, you know, we should just sell these shoes, bro. Because these shoes are going for 1000s of dollars each now. She got them for like, you know, a couple $100 Each or something like that. And I was like, Yo, they're selling these just for like 1000 each. She was like, Yeah, but I can't tell my daughter now what I'm gonna tell my daughter. I'm like, sure understand, bro. You could put her through college with this shit. Fuck she had like 10 tickets. Tell her Are you gonna make like 10 grand with them? She's tell your daughter

Anthony:

that in life. Adults have to make choices that make rational sense. If I bought it for 200 and I could sell it for 2000 That's what we like to call a profit. So she bought she bought 10 tickets but you're only aware of her her and her daughter fuck the other eight. Well, they're supposed to be like for our friend. Yes, I'm sure like that. My friends better come up with that money.

Jeff:

I'm like, yo show understand, bro, I'll I'm selling these tickets. If I was able to get early access to Taylor Swift tickets, and then Ticketmaster fucking shut down and share froze because too many months ago was trying to buy the shit. I'm selling the shirts.

Anthony:

You look funky as ticket broker. You hustle.

Jeff:

I would sell them shirts make 1,000% profit. You're about to get scammed my kid my kid will have to understand like, Dude, look, I'll take you to Disney assumption. With this money. We could go for Disney now.

Anthony:

Like, like you were about Taylor Swift. We could have a literally a Ford a three day, four night fucking excursion to Disney. All paid, not worry about shit. Or you say oh, we're at the top of giant stadium and watch Taylor Swift. I'll let you choose. If your child chooses the opposite of the Disney thing, then you should probably have a real conversation with your kid. They might not be too smart. Decisions, man. Lack of a lack of brain power. Like I thought you'd be smarter than this. I don't read books. You know, the kind of shit is real dumb of you.

Jeff:

It's called fiscal responsibility.

Anthony:

Trust me. That means we can fly. We eat Goodbye, little Mickey Mouse ears with a little name on it. We get all the shit and still have money to spare. But you want to go to this concert? I have failed as a parent.

Jeff:

Sometimes you got to make executive decisions, man.

Anthony:

What you mean you're a parent until he turned 18 They're all executive decisions. Exactly. But we ain't doing this. But But dad dad my ass we ain't doing this. Now package it we're going to Disney.

Jeff:

Yo shout out to the coach crew y'all should have received merch by now. I sent him some nice T shirts you

Anthony:

sent him a bag a week?

Jeff:

No because although it's legal here it might not be legal in every state so you know I'm not trying to look at all the state's regulations and

Anthony:

wanting her to hurt nobody

Jeff:

culture weed yeah we write this down we could probably start some shit yeah but but the culture dispensary

Anthony:

yeah but on the back but the culture symbol on the front of it that's it Yep.

Jeff:

We're flavors where we have

Anthony:

strong really fucking strong in my head hurts the culture PIF. Culture. Absolutely.

Jeff:

Let me get that culture.

Anthony:

Roll up like I'm doing this for the culture like exactly.

Jeff:

You leave a comment and a review on our shit. You get a free baggie. You get a nickel, you get a nickel.

Anthony:

You get a tray back $3 worth of weed is these steep recession and inflation prices.

Jeff:

I'm gonna bring a big garbage bag back from Jamaica. When I go to Jamaica November,

Anthony:

you know how hard it had to be back in the day. So tray bags we fried out subpop

Jeff:

You'll remember when MOFA was used to only sell Nixon dimes. Yeah, like that's just gone right now it's just like you either get a pre rolled or you get ounces.

Anthony:

You know what they treatment shit like meat. Like, you got to buy it by the pound.

Jeff:

Let me get this one right here. This is tender is this tenderized?

Anthony:

Like when you go to when you go to store and go to deli counter, you be like, I want to dollar for cheese. Like I want $2 Like, like I went and we got away that way. I gotta get $15 worth of wheat or 16,000 with wheat. Like I can't afford an ounce but I can do $18 worth of wheat they put on little scale do a little math like you're eating outward to be like Okay, thank you. Like you said you treat me like a deli counter like it's no fit them out. Because what the Nixon dimes like he was just like he was like a fucking antique dealer. You hold the bag and look at like, a little thin 20 season that were like you inspecting the ship. Now it's like, every everything, even little dispensaries and I still in phase one and I'm planning on because I don't want either. Because the whole idea of so might give us a government ID to buy weed like I know. I know. Plenty of weed dealers. They never ask no Id ever based like, Yo, you got it. Cool. We're good to go.

Jeff:

But yo, you spoke about a death. earlier. Let's just was mentioned that off the top. Rest in peace to late great Tina Turner. Yes. What was she like? 80? Song 8583 83? Yeah. I'm not gonna say that was young. But she was still full of life. You know? I mean, she didn't seem her age. She didn't seem old.

Anthony:

Yeah, I mean, she was dealing with health issues for a while. And I mean, she lived a far life because she died in Switzerland. And we're like, oh, like she passed away at a nursing home and she'll be like, Oh, I died at my big ass mansion in Switzerland. That's living right there. That's good. Yo, I appreciate it. That is Ike still alive. No, I did.

Jeff:

Oh, I was gonna say I'm waiting for that interview.

Anthony:

I had been as mafic I'm gonna go ahead and pull up right now.

Jeff:

He never told us why used to be highest right

Anthony:

now he died in two dancer.

Jeff:

Dan, he'd been dead for quite some time.

Anthony:

Ya know, it's actually just learned behavior. Man. People aren't abusers like it's not, you know, it's not a natural. You don't swing on people to swing on people. It's generally some shit. Like it's just learned behavior. Like you saw it in your household. You saw how good dad gave it up and so forth. You tend to follow the example. I mean, you hopefully you learned something from it and what changed but not him. And I mean, it's one of those taken two things can be true at once. He was a extremely talented musician who happened to be married to someone and their marriage involved physical sexual and emotional violence. Those two things can be true. I don't want that to be written in her obituary and like a lot of things because it's like it's like happened in Tunisia like one came from one without the other came with an iPad Latina came into Tijuana. I guess you can continue to had this for expanding career after all that was done she did extremely well for herself. And that never held her back. I think a lot of us get caught up in the move because it was like the move was such the early part of their career they never spoke I was they always should did a part to that. Because the latter part of her career and everything that she went through and everything that she became an all the tours and everything just how successful she was after that point. Should have really been spoken upon. But But as we're talking about, like, the Taylor Swift thing, because the idea of legacy, like I always wonder now, like, as you as we age, like who are our actual legacy acts. I had this conversation with somebody I was thinking Beyonce, but I'm like, I'm over them. I like I don't think she wants to be Tina Turner. I don't think she wants to be on stage when she's 6065 years old. She might she might I don't know. Like, like Tina Turner still performs Gladys Knight still performs glass 82 Patti still performs Chaka Khan like those people who are of age way above age and are still out there doing whatever they're doing. Like who was that of our generation have no idea like Taylor Swift might be that because you seem like they're gonna grow over her. She'll be seven years old from the guitarist he needs to be seen there with the candles and shit, right? Six years old.

Jeff:

The problem is that football tables with a she only caters to one demographic, you know, I'm saying shit. We're not listening to her, you know? I'm not saying that's a bad thing. That's her. That's her. That's her pop. You know, that's her demographic. That's her audience. You know, the white girls or whatever, young white girl, teenage white girls, etc. That's her, you know? I mean, that's her audience. But black and brown kids ain't listening to Taylor Swift. I don't think Latinos ain't listening for any checking for Taylor Swift. But that's how many colored people you're gonna see in the audience when you go to a Taylor Swift show. Not many but not not a lot though. No, no. And that's the thing like a Tina Turner or Michael Jackson you're gonna see all colors

Anthony:

but was Tina with Michael and with with with Taylor their audiences travel? Like yeah, if if Taylor Swift was inform him and she was performance a in Philly, they would all go down to Philly this year. Like they go they travel Michael Microsoft Teams like that. But like sit there legacy accept people that you want to see performance are going to kind of keep going, like Taylor Swift can do the shit to God knows when. Because they're going to love her until she's gone. She's She's their idol, which is good for them. I don't have a problem with that. But for people of color, like who's your legacy? Like, seriously, like who? Who you're watching 20 years from now?

Jeff:

I don't think there's a lot bro. Maybe not even I wouldn't even say Drake, maybe a Drake? No, you didn't. I mean, because it's like these people die out. It's like fads, you know. I mean, they get out of style. And the next dude comes in,

Anthony:

he would have been told like that. I think that's a problem. That's their biggest issue with the culture. There's, we preach the idea of legacy. But we don't do enough to support said legacy. Like, how much longer can l do this? How much longer can Buster do this?

Jeff:

Would you consider Eminem and legacy? Jay Z and ours?

Anthony:

No. Because Because the thing is that they won't continue to talk. The legacy act isn't producing music is the whole I'm going on tour. Come see me. They don't do that will take still tours. But but they but disparate parts. And even what will tell you like I'm like, I'm going to see I'm not going to see Bucha I want to see, I'm going to see Ray perform. And once he met perform, I'm going to see ghosts before. But you're not thinking about I'm gonna see all of them before. Rarely, and they're never all there at the same time anyway, correct. That's a whole other part of the problem with it. The problem was like even one guy like Jay like you say jay z nas, Eminem. J toes and he wants to talk. He's beyond Ricci, he doesn't really have to do this. He dropped out when he wants to. They're not dependent upon anymore. Taylor's not really dependent upon it anymore for being honest. But she just loves doing it. She loves touring, she loves the fans. I think part of the culture is part of hip hop, that after a while you just kind of forget about the fans. And honestly, it becomes you know, fuck the fans. Really, the only legacy I can think that comes to the top of my mind. Sorry, Mary J. Blige. Because she ain't gotta do much. No big production, no big dance around, she can kind of still sing the song she could send and probably do that for next 1520 years she wanted to because there's still an audience is going to support her no matter what. But what a guy like Jay Z, I'm gonna like, you're not really interested in that, because he's kind of like, well, I've got what I've got. I'm not really worried about the fans anymore, because I'm not depending upon the fans to eat, period. Now, it's not either Eminem, not doing that either. What the last time you're not popped out was, of course, the Superbowl. Who will go in, you're not going on tour, he got nothing to show off. You gotta got no meat, no music release is just kind of same old thing. The thing with Tina Turner, her lasting legacy is like she kept performing. Even later stages in her life. I mean, I think she stopped performing the past couple of years because of her health. But like she did that her life was so grand. That you know, there's a Broadway play about her. Is there anyone that you can think of right now in regards to the culture like, I would love to see a Broadway show about their life by now says a lot. Like you always wonder like, what is the impact that people are going to have? How is this going to go forward? How are we how do we push it forward? To make sure that you know, in 10 years like if someone comes like I cannot wait to see them. This is a sidebar. Next week of the routes picnic, did he was going to be able to route. Philly. So today, Saturday and Sunday. Did he left? So the Saturday show, the main headline is going to be Lauryn Hill. I'm kind of interested in it. Because from what I heard, even though the 25th anniversary of maybe the greatest hip hop album ever. The problem is people who have seen a live show, since she doesn't sound the same. Not so great. We've talked

Jeff:

about and we've talked about this, she's gonna show up late so you got to make sure you plan ahead to stay there all night.

Anthony:

Right. Now, the thing the legacy thing is someone who actually came to my house is actually doing that right now. They took off duty because of some unforeseen circumstances. And they got a second headliner who's going to be on for Sunday. Guess what the headline risk Will Smith fucky he's from Philly. So I figured, oh, oh, sure. Oh, okay. See, you see, let's see the look a look at the product really. Lauryn Hill, the proper grader, but here actually it gets you to the HA. Now, I'm in a conundrum. I would love to see it, but I'm not going back for two days. And do I really want to go into Sunday? No, I gotta go to work Monday because if anything, I read the Usher didn't anything else. I read this he ushered in Lauryn Hill. Because Asher is creating the whole legacy acting. He has his whole tour in Las Vegas doing the shows and everything else like that. And people went from like, this seems to be okay. It's like, oh, I'm going now. Or she's going to be there. There's something about legacy. You know, one of the greatest hip hop acts ever. You're like, but one of the greatest r&b acts ever, like, oh, fuck, I gotta go. Like that man has a whole residency in Las Vegas that people fly out to have a good time in Vegas and go spend some time to go see the show. That is gonna be an understatement. Now I'm torn. But that's the part about legacy. His career so long said that even now, what? 30 plus years later, you still want to see that man sing and still want to see that man perform. Lauren, even though she's a indelible part of hip hop, you're like, what do we do with this? That's team has lasting legacy even all these years later, her music still comes on you hear her voice? She's think of the hair. You think of the movies she did a lot a lot. So an important thing is that we got to keep these legends alive in our mind. We got to keep moving things forward. It's important and while they can because one month they're going to be gone just like she is now so rest in peace to her but we got to step it up.

Jeff:

Speaking of legacies Did you hear this Eric be interviewed when he was talking about death row East what they wanted to do with that with Tupac and almost was wanting to do what they used to you heard

Anthony:

about that? I did not hear about that but I didn't know about that plan before.

Jeff:

Yeah, apparently he was supposed to be like the head of the Shariah he was gonna be

Anthony:

like basically like literally Arabic for President.

Jeff:

Right. And he they said that they were going to sign I think he said they had signed already Craig Mack was supposedly the first artist signed after his deal with bad boy because he only had a one album deal with bad boy Wow. So after that, boom, they were gonna snatch Craig Mack up he supposed to be the first artist sign after two pocket knives squash the beef knives were supposed to Tupac wanted to do a whole album whatnot as they said he was supposed to start working on it after the mike tyson fight you know I'm saying he was telling his boys like yeah you know I'm a squash it up with knives. He's a cool dude. You know it was missing you know, misunderstanding between me and him. After this fight, I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna get you know, put everything together. I want to do album would do. Can you imagine a NAS and Tupac album? I will probably still be bumping that shit today.

Anthony:

You know, it's the most hilarious thing about what you said. You said that you heard an interview with Eric be like, I've never heard that man speak.

Jeff:

I know I'm like that. I'm like, is that ever be from Eric being rock him?

Anthony:

Right? Every time you hear Eric being rock him, Eric B never raps he just there. He's the producer. But But I know what Pete Rock Sound I know what every producer sound like I never heard Eric B's voice. I don't know if everybody was the producer the money the muscle, whatever. But

Jeff:

because you know what it is? A lot of times the producers make sure that they're heard right like sometimes they'll say a couple words on a song. Like you know puffy does that he's gonna you're gonna hear him all throughout the song. You might hear Dre in the background saying hey, yeah, you don't I mean, you're gonna hear Swiss beats saying something on a track. Kanye you know Kanye when he produces a song he usually does the hook. Or he's going to have some type of dialogue like like they let themselves be known that they're on this track somehow, some way right? Don't think you've ever really heard Eric be like even DJ Premier You don't really hear him but sometimes you'll hear him say some like he got the song with NAS. Nas is like where he says a couple words. He's like yo, Nas. You ready? Ready when you all preme? You know what I mean? Like you hear him say a couple words that you like, alright, that's what he sounds like. You don't really ever hear Eric B. You don't know what you know, he's not on every track saying some shit in the background. Right? And even like,

Anthony:

lose. Like a Public Enemy. He's like Terminator X. And it's like, you know, produce it, but that was really it. should shut until I saw that. My expert opinion. No, no, no, a Rottweiler found, like, true. I know what it looked like. Nobody knew what it sounded like. That's not surprising. There's probably a bunch of dudes like that. Yeah, yeah. Tupac want to get the fuck off of death row. Facts. He didn't want him different.

Jeff:

People forget that. He's from New York though, man. His mom was from New York. He was born in New York.

Anthony:

You should really watch their mom on Hulu.

Jeff:

I did or watching them on Hulu. Yeah, watching the show. You finished it Did you finish it? That should have been which is dope? Yes, though. The fact that I think I talked about already on here, the part that I found amazing was that they have no footage together. No. The dude couldn't find any footage of them two together, except for a couple of pictures.

Anthony:

A couple of things when she was on set with him, but that's really sad real quick. They

Jeff:

were having lunch together. That's crazy to me. Yo, her life was this, and he's 27 years or whatever. What way was he? 27? Right when he died? 2627 Yeah. There's no video footage of you and your mom. Well, that's crazy. Because I could go in a crate right now and find whole footage of my dad recorded me and the fact you know, I'm seeing from back in the day. He had his old big ass camera. He's recording, walking around the house, say something to the camera.

Anthony:

But he went through so much and did so much like it's crazy at

Jeff:

a young age jail. It makes you feel like a failure. Sometimes when you look at the shit that he accomplished at such a young age.

Anthony:

You know, I hear from a lot of people, I never felt that way.

Jeff:

Because well, power to you. But I have I look at some I mean, obviously, he's an outlier. You know, I'm saying he's not he's a rare occasion that somebody in their 20s that really didn't come from celebrity didn't come from a silver spoon. And he accomplished so much so many albums, movies, he was a celebrity. He was a humanitarian. He was everything actor, musician, you know, I mean, and he wasn't even 30 years old. My thing some of us are 40 trying to still figure our lives out, you don't even know what it

Anthony:

is. Cuz you kind of realize, maybe like, if you believe in kind of a spiritual kind of thing. The people like that have to do it because they have a really bright light, it's gonna burn a candle real fast. Like, it's like, it's impossible for you to live 5060 years like that, at that pace. Like your body will burn out on you or something tragic. But what was the 27? Club? Him? What? River Phoenix? Kurt Cobain? Like if it's so much in a small thing? Because he really, there's not enough time.

Jeff:

But also, do you think a lot of it had to do with the fact that he never thought he would live? To be you know, even 30 or even 26? Because he would say, Well, I live to be 23 and so much pain. Like he says it in a lot of his songs like he you know, I mean? Yeah, like him in big like, they talk about the shit. And maybe it's just them calling it into existence. That's why they say you got to be careful what you rap about. You know, I mean, because you're putting it out there in the universe. Like Biggie talked about, you know, ready to die. And all it is like, you talk about death a lot. Death will come knocking at your door because you keep mentioning it. So I don't know if it has something to do with that, or the fact that he just thought he was gonna die at a young age. So he made sure to accomplish a lot. Because he didn't think he had a you know, a long time. Like we could procrastinate, you know, I'm saying we could put a lot of shit all but if somebody tells you like, Look, man, you're gonna die in the next two years. For two years, you're gonna probably try to do as much as you can.

Anthony:

Yeah, you will push your self to the upper limits of your human possibilities.

Jeff:

With nothing to lose, you're not even going to be fearing because you know, a lot of time fears what fucks us up right? Fears what holds us back because you're like, damn, the fear of failure, the fear of losing the fear of whatever. I'm just gonna stay on the safe side. But if you know you're about to die, you're not worrying about failure, fear, none of that, because it doesn't matter. You got nothing to lose, right? It's like they say you do your best work when your backs up against the ropes. Yes. And I believe that I truly believe that even from my own personal life experiences, I believe that you know, you accomplish the most when you're like your back is up against the rope.

Anthony:

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Yes, shit you would not do in your normal setting. If you ain't got no choice, you do it. And that's what I always tell people. Whenever you're in a tight situation, pull yourself away from it. Take a moment, breathe, then reassess that same question with a clear mind because don't ever do anything. And I mean anything out of desperation, because you're going to make a mistake. But you're too worried about the end goal. You don't give a fuck about how you get to it. Never make a move out of desperation. You'll get there. But you're going to you're going to you might hurt a whole bunch of people you never intended to hurt or did a whole lot of things you never intended to do to get to that point because you did it at a point where you shouldn't have to. Now when a guy like Tupac the desperation came in a long time ago like because like it's really important you can say Dear Mom and then could you kind of understand his psyche about it's like never having a father and having should they're at the lowest point in life like Look man I'm gonna get this money up all the new signs a little thing right here little three record deal we're gonna get you out of jail in no time. You get him out of jail. You never had a father figure should looks after everything that you do is co founder whatever bullshit you on. It don't matter. Like that's my man. That's my little brother right there. Like you make that deal with the devil. Like that. That's a point of desperation. Like I'm going to do anything I can to get the fuck out of prison. You make that deal? Well, once you got back to the sense like this shit ain't me. This ain't working. That's why he made so much he was like I'm gonna get these albums out of the way as fast as possible could do But I want to do for myself. Now, the thing about the death row II thing, it made a whole lot of sense, but I don't even know if it would have been death row it would have been some others. But

Jeff:

that's what I'm saying. Because Suge obviously would have still owned the name right. But I don't know if Craig Mac being your first artist, that doesn't move the needle for me.

Anthony:

I can't tell because nothing ever occurred. Now if you tell

Jeff:

me if you tell me they gonna put nice, big no Big Pun, you know some of the best from from that era together. Like oh, shit.

Anthony:

Well, our records only as good as it's produced. I've seen a lot of rappers with really great produce records and shit. So fantastic. Craig wasn't a bad rapper. Of all the bad boys when he probably wasn't the best, but he was pretty good. But having that kind of production team behind him. Yeah, it makes a whole lot difference.

Jeff:

Well, the problem is once Biggie showed up that said, Craig Mack was thrown to the side like I mean, we got somebody better than you piece.

Anthony:

Right? And like I said, circumstantial, like it happened to work out for big right? Because some dumb shit was

Jeff:

in jail or or did it? Or did it though or did it work out for him? It did because he probably still be alive today. Yeah, but if it's not for puffy and puffy, making him do that, that record and making them go to California and putting out who shot you like all these shifts? Here, it's okay, culminate in his death.

Anthony:

I'm actually following through on all this because this whole this episode is really about legacy. If you kind of think about it, like what do you like? Does big become like we always do the what ifs when it comes to hip hop? Like if big were to live or pocket live? I don't know. Maybe? Here's the thing. I think big would probably still be rapping. I think POC would start rapping out there like that the first death row estab because member like, what's it when you watch that documentary? He's a theater kid. He loved actor he was actually really really good at it. I think he'd been acting forever who were like now we'll start some shit like I'm gonna do some movies man like this was Twitter bread. So that's got to show up noble lines and act masks off you can pay me I gotta go on tour. None of the shit she so easy life. The good fucking shot at

Jeff:

Yeah, we talked about like the groups too. You know, you always hear the rumor of Murder Inc. was supposed to be DMX Jay Z. Giroux and photos and just didn't was it them three?

Anthony:

Yeah. And I think big one is with the Commission with Jay, Charlie and him.

Jeff:

But these are all what ifs? They're mostly rumors. Yeah.

Anthony:

But I mean, that's, that's important thing. Because even now, like I said, even like, would there have been more said, No, I don't think it would have mattered because right now they still leave a lasting legacy. And that's a problem with some people. You perform your performer, but your quality wanes over time, then you kind of become forgettable, like busted is not an example. But he doesn't have that problem. He puts out quality material every time that he's out. And that's the beauty of Busta Rhymes. He still has it after all this time. What as he busts around for PAL, yeah, every time we come when I'm excited about it. But in a situation like this, something that occurs like what we have going on right now, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in regards to thinking what pop would have been or what big would have been because they still mattered even to this day, decades later. That's the that's the thing about legacy. It still sticks. Even though we don't have a full fuller body of work or more albums or more shows or more things to contend with. You still have something here that lasts such a legacy that like, it still matters. That's the important part with Tina's career, even with this idea of death row is the fact that they wanted to leave a mark on the world but even in debt, they still did no matter what. That's what we're talking about them today.

Jeff:

I want to finish it off. Since we're on the topic of legacy. I want to bring up one of my all time favorite basketball players, Carmelo Anthony. He had just recently announced his retirement from the NBA. You watch the video? Yes, that's how I found out I was scrolling through Twitter, and I saw him do the video. And you know, he's leaving it. He's passing on the legacy to his son. Basically, that's how the video ends, right? Where he's telling him you know, he's passing the torch to his son, who will probably be in the NBA with Lebron son and a couple years. And I just wanted to ask you, is this like the end of an era? Like, did an era die with his retirement? And what I mean by that is, obviously he was in the Lebron era and in the Steph Korea, right, what you can argue is why he didn't win a championship but also his era, I would categorize it as the ring chasing era, right? The super team era where guys were joining forces, with Lebron with Steph Curry with whoever to try to win these championships, right? Because let's face it, especially where the fans were guilty of this. This is you know, when we're just when we're discussing the greats or who has them championships isn't LeBron is the Jordan right? Championships was the thing that we use to define which is flawed. I feel like we shouldn't. That shouldn't I feel like that should be the tiebreaker. If you can't decide between LeBron and Jordan, then yeah, you can use championships as the tiebreaker in my opinion, but in this drink chasing era, Melo was one of those guys that did not ring Chase. At least not during his prime right towards the end of his career. He tried to maybe try to ring chase it didn't work out. He was past his prime, right? It didn't work. You played with LeBron. Last season. He played with, you know, harden, and he played with Paul George. But the teams weren't good enough. Alright. OKC Houston, right. So he tried Portland with Dame Lillard. Yeah. But those teams weren't good enough to compete with the LeBrons and the Warriors and stuff like that. Because these these, these were super teams. So my thing is, he chose his money. And sometimes he gets knocked for that. That's one of the strikes against LeBron against Melo. And to me, that's a positive he chose his money over ring Chaisson. I respect the man for that one, too. He's from New York, he wanted to play for the Knicks. So obviously, I'm a little biased. That's another reason why I love this man. Right? Because in an era where everybody's ring chasing, but nobody is trying to come to New York, right? For whatever reason, they don't like the ownership. They don't want the pressures of the New York, the bright lights. They don't want to be come here and be a failure. You know, everybody says when you're winning in New York is the best thing ever. But when you're losing, it's the worst. And nobody wants to take that chance to come to New York and fail, right? They know that if you succeed here, you're a god. But nobody wants to take that chance to come here and fail. Because it's too much pressure in that middle took on that pressure. And he says this is where I want to be. It's just him and Phil Jackson couldn't get along. So eventually they had to part ways. But ultimately, he wanted to be here. You had a chance to go and team up with Wade and LeBron and Miami. You know, I'm saying he had opportunities to go sign with Chicago Bulls when they had prime Derrick Rose and, and all these other guys. And who knows if he would have won a championship or not. But that's not the path he chose, right? He's one of the top 10 leading scorers in NBA history. He has the most gold medals in history of Olympic basketball. He has a college championship. Okay? He is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Anthony:

Probably no, it's not probably depends on who's in the class properly.

Jeff:

He's first valid dog I just told you he is the he is top 10 all time in score, and every other day of the nine people are in the Hall of Fame. Votes objective. I don't vote no, no, no. And no vote for him. You know why? Because he never had a bad word with anybody. He was so well respected around the league. You've never heard anybody say anything negative about Melo. And that's one of the reasons why he'll get voted in even faster. Because we have a bad reputation and some writers might not vote you in right they're like ah fuck him. He didn't want to talk to the media mellowed spoke to the media after every loss. He didn't care. He's not like Julius Randle that he storms off after they lose because he's pissed off and he leaves he's nowhere to be found. Melo sat there and took you know I mean whatever criticism he took the blame for every loss and I will always respect him finish it okay. He was only in New York for what seven seasons it felt like much longer than that seven Yeah, right but it felt much longer he was in Denver for much longer not so even if he goes into the hall of fame he could probably go in as a debit nugget because those were his best years

Anthony:

he wasn't he wasn't beefy seven and a half in Denver cuz he got traded midway through the season and suddenly happened New York. Okay.

Jeff:

So again, when asked you did an era die with him because now we're in the soft as era, right? Where people are getting pissed off easily you're just flapping nobody wants to talk to the media after last because they're pissed off. Everybody wants to ring chase people sign the contracts and because they just want the big money contract right but then they request to trade immediately because they don't want to play for the team. Like you don't even want to go through with the obligation like you signed the contract. Fulfill your contract. We've seen guys like KD dudas Kyrie James Harden right? They sign a contract because they want to get this max money and then they immediately request a trade because they don't want to beat it and then they get traded to where they want to be or whatever like that's some soft as you know. This is where we're at right now in sports, especially in the NBA. Right and you can knock Melo for now ring chasing not having any championships you could say he wasn't a great defender. He was selfish whatever. I feel like he's the last of a dying breed

Anthony:

well the thing about mellow smells was gonna be mellow. Like I don't think he ever he tried to bring chase in for a year that one time important but that was really it. If you really wanted to do it like he was a free agent he could just sign with any team that exactly it could be on Boston's roster right now collecting the minimum or, or, or shit Denver's roster, but no, that wasn't gonna work. Still out of bad blood. They're there. They're improving and getting over that. But the error isn't dead. Because it still matters to people because it matters to us and shouldn't matter to us. Like I said, I always say this every single time. I unemotional invested in sports, I like a good story like a good, good game. And that's about it. Last night's game was excellent. That was a great fucking ticket. But you run into a situation with a guy like Carmelo where he was always going to do what's best for Carmelo good, bad or indifferent. Like he could have asked if he had to kind of swim in New York, like it's going to use the MSC user in the market instead of trying to go to help them out. Or waiting to make that deal, but I'm not going to know, divulge the past and hold that against them, and so on so forth. He had a long career, he might be, quite honestly, the best offensive player I've ever seen. I mean, in literally all facets of the game is mid range, posting up from downtown. There was nothing to Carmelo couldn't do offensively, he never was rushed. He never was, you know, panic, nothing else like that. He got to his spot and took his shot and there was nothing you can do about it. Now, the question I have about his legacy is is is actually twofold. Like, could this is becoming a thing, and like, I'm not either for or against it. But do you believe the next year retires number

Jeff:

they're gonna. Whether they should or not, is up in the air is up for interpretation, but they're going up because James Dolan loves mellow. There was Potter having dinner together. And like I said, in a time where nobody wanted to come here he came. And then he resigned with us. And he said he wanted to be here. This is where I want to be. To me. That's not That's not taking the easy way out. That's actually taking the hard way, right. Like, I want to win here. Because I know that if I win here, I'd be immortalized forever. I'm a god if I win in New York City. And he took us to the playoffs for four straight years, which was unheard of you're not I mean, we hadn't gotten to the playoffs in like 20 years.

Anthony:

I'm sorry. I'm still tired. By the time they won the game. They released the balloons. I'm like, come on now. Yeah.

Jeff:

But that's where we are. That's how sad are franchises. You know, we win a playoff game and they're celebrating. And he took us to the second round, the world's biggest appreciation trophy, dropping the balloon playoff with Jesus. And up until this year when we lost in the second round when he 12 was the last time we made it that far. And it was mellow. And Amari, that took us there. Forever. So first just for that. And the fact you know, he has the most points in a single game at Madison Square Garden. Well, yeah, like 6162 points. Yeah, but that's in the record books that might never be broken.

Anthony:

I get that. But my whole thing was always this like, has there ever been a great score in master Square Garden?

Jeff:

Bernard King was, but he was only here for two years. Right was a great prolific player. You know, so you can you can argue that Melo and again, this is not saying much. And it's not a long list or anything but you can argue that Melo is one of the top two or three best Knicks of all time. Unfortunately, he never had a championship so that's why guys like Walt Clyde Frazier are always going to be mentioned

Anthony:

even the top five but um, you know, guys like that Patrick

Jeff:

Ewing is going to be mentioned because he has all the records. He was here for a long time and he got us to two finals. I can see that he's in the Top 10 Top Melo is in the top five bro. Statistically everything he accomplished. He's a top five Nick of all time the only thing he's never made it to the finals and not many Knicks have, right so that's not even a long list. So basically

Anthony:

you got got four guys from the 7172 Knicks.

Jeff:

You got a few people from the seven to seven days and then you have like Patrick Ewing from the 90s so

Anthony:

classic read the butcher Clyde read the brochure Pat will be for

Jeff:

maybe monarchy but no like I said he's only been here for a couple seasons so he doesn't really count.

Anthony:

He doesn't but it's almost like those two years that's such an amazing impact. Right? That was probably between three and five Yeah,

Jeff:

that's what I'm telling you maybe Starks but they don't even do he's not they don't even have a retired number. What was the last number we retired Patrick Ewing

Anthony:

stopped John start shaking. He wasn't great at all. I'm a Knicks fan. He wasn't

Jeff:

bad. But he but yeah, but he was on those great Knicks fans from the night Knicks teams from the 90s So he's always gonna be remembered as that you don't I'm saying yeah, that one iconic dunk is the same thing as Oakley and Mason and all these guys that were part of the teams that we remember as being the best teams we've had in a long time.

Anthony:

The amazing thing about John Starks that people always talking about start from like that's the motherfucker that call here all the title. Yeah. And they always say John sucks like you would have a title of John would stop fucking shoe with a three for 18 and I watched it he just chucking and have a kid I'm like, Please fucking stop, John. Seriously. They're like, oh man. What about John Stark's man fuck out of here. And that's the fun thing to do and retires number but right retire but the thing is that right now Denver can't retire his number

Jeff:

why somebody's wearing yoga chest 15 Oh he does

Anthony:

get retired right now they're prior retired number twice a yoke and for mela but they can't retire the number because you're still wearing it now but

Jeff:

he didn't wear it 15 With the next

Anthony:

no he was seven with the next one who were seen it and Denver

Jeff:

he was seven with the Lakers two

Anthony:

yeah but he's number retire with the Lakers No, no, no, no, no. So you probably have a number you probably have a number retired by the next you should have a retirement and

Jeff:

him in Denver didn't really part ways and good terms. So I don't I don't know. They might make him wait a little bit, but I feel like the next retires number immediately, probably next year to have a ceremony they'll have a mellow day where he'll come and wave to the fans and retire his jersey.

Anthony:

I think I think Denver has to retire his number because Denver wasn't shit until he got there.

Jeff:

He might be a top two player in the history of the nuggets. Yeah, it's probably him and joke it's

Anthony:

no top three it's him geocaching Alex English. That's it. That's it. It's a couple other guys have been there but it's really those those guys. Kiki Vandeweghe was there a fat liver was there but it's really it's really yo kitch Alex English and Carmelo Anthony Carmela might be might be two. You'll never be one because you can't top a two time MVP and a guy who's probably going to win a title this year.

Jeff:

I feel bad that his son is going to have the same problem he had when his son makes it if he makes it to the NBA. He's gonna have to deal with Lebron son. Then he's gonna always have you know, I'm saying he's unless he becomes better than LeBron son. No, he's always gonna be behind. I mean, because like, you're just gonna be behind the greatest critic because of that era.

Anthony:

The thing about Keanu is I don't know if he's gonna be outshine his father because, I mean, this is not even me being like funny. Like, I don't know how much taller he's going to grow. Like Carmelo being six foot 720 40 pounds is the massive advantage. He's too quick, and he's too strong. So I'm like, young Carmela could could jump like he can get up there. So I don't know if Qian is gonna be able to develop or I mean, the skill is going to be there because of his father. But the question is going to be like, is he going to be able to actually grow tall enough like even brawny Brian is only like six to six threes father 682 141 50 pounds, like, you're not your father. You have to be your own person. You have to have his name. But I mean that I mean, karma left a lasting impact on everybody. On players on fans. Like everybody, everybody wanted to have like the straight backs with the bandana. Like basically basically human aI had that look going forward. But I mean, the way he wasn't Denver like the counterpoint to LeBron James, I said it came in the same time. He won Rookie of the Year, not Lebron James. That's how talented and how amazing Melo was at that time. He still is. Like said 19 years is nothing that's enough about me. People to work 19 years at a regular fucking job doing it in the NBA. Since you've been 19 years old, and three time Olympic champion I mean, maybe the greatest Syracuse Orangemen of all time, quite possibly the greatest nugget of all time. It's not because of your age, but no do you have these things these things occur? And the fact that he got to this point so far in his career, man, just kudos so I just hope he enjoys retirement, with his foundations and things like that and keeps trying to uplift and build communities and I'm not gonna complain about it. I mean, just stay mellow.

Jeff:

And congrats to him. On his retirement, yo, William Shakespeare said no legacy is so riche as honesty. The greatest legacy one can pass on to one's children and grandchildren is not money but rather a legacy of character and faith. What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others. Pericles thank you for tuning in. We're gonna try to give you more content this week. But a lot going on. We appreciate y'all

Anthony:

Yes, Morita. Yes, Calm the fuck down man.

Jeff:

The culture dot one. Happy Memorial Day. til next time

Anthony:

go gruesome shit

Jeff:

peace.

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