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Paid In Full

• Jeff and Anthony • Episode 148

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The Culture Podcast | Episode 148: Paid in Full

Who's ready to venture into an unfiltered journey through the world of hip-hop? We're pulling the curtain back on some juicy stories that have the industry buzzing. First up, we're tackling P. Diddy's recent legal issues and the whopping eight-figure settlement with his ex-fling, Cassie. Yes, you heard right! Unravel the truth with us as we dissect the shocking accusations against him that include rape and sex trafficking. It's a wild ride that invites a wider conversation about deep-seated rumors surrounding Diddy.

Keeping the momentum rolling, we shift our focus to the enigmatic Andre 3000. We're talking about what his solo project might have sounded like and how his inventive eccentricities might have influenced his music. We're talking about his intriguing song titles and his fondness for playing the flute in LA laundromats.
We also talk about Nas' 'Paid in Full' foundation and its possible connection to the iconic album of the same name.

Finally, we're delving into Snoop Dogg's bold move to quit smoking weed and the potential ramifications for his music and lifestyle. We're sharing personal anecdotes about kicking bad habits and pondering if other famous weed enthusiasts, like Redman, are taking the same path. Plus, we're taking a moment to marvel at the 200-artist DJ K-Slay track that's hitting airwaves and turning heads.

Last, but not least, is Will Smith gay and does it even matter? Don't forget to subscribe, like, share, and follow us for more captivating deep dives into hip-hop culture and beyond! #cassie #diddy #willsmith #nas #andre3000 #dmx #tupac #wutang #snoop

Topics Discussed:

  • Cassie sues Diddy for rape, abuse, more
  • Andre 3000's new flute album
  • NYC declares Nov. 9th Wu-tang Clan day
  • DMX vs. Tupac debate
  • Snoop Dogg quits smoking?
  • Nas starts "Paid in Full" foundation to help icons
  • Will Smith and Duane Martin were lovers?


Referenced Links:
Diddy Is Accused of Rape and Abuse by Cassie in New Filing (vulture.com)

Cassie Alleges Diddy Engineered Kid Cudi Car Explosion After He Found Out They Had a ‘Brief Relationship’ | Complex

Will Smith denies claims he had sex with Duane Martin (ew.com)

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Speaker 1:

scene. You're about to get hit with the double team. Yo, this is your boy, Jeff, but instead of my main man, Aunt, I'm here with Mikey Sheed today.

Speaker 2:

Dude, I look, I look like a monk in our video. I'm wearing my robe, I'm like I've got religious artwork above me. I'm just. I'm coming with my monk lifestyle right now. Monk.

Speaker 1:

Mikey in the house and you're not even. Are you like atheist?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think you and I are in the same category probably. But yeah, I was. I was like kind of raised Catholic and dude, I fucking love Catholic art, like I think it's like so gold and Goddy and stupid. So I've got all this. Like I have this room where I have an altar or not an altar, a pulpit, and then I've got like all this religious art because I just love, I love to collect it.

Speaker 1:

You got the Virgin Mary in the background.

Speaker 2:

It's like almost a mocking religion.

Speaker 1:

But anyway, man, let's get right to business. Man, first of all, I'm going to give a shout out to our culture crew members. It occurred to me that I mean we only made a couple of actual videos, like maybe three YouTube videos, haven't given any shout outs to them. So I mean I'm going to put the graphics up on the screen for them. You know what I mean. Give a shout out because they also sponsor the show. Basically, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Mikey, she is a culture crew member. That's right To you, brother. Salute, self salute. We got D black hell wig, owner of destiny careers, out in Florida. No we have. I got to keep up with these names because they keep changing the name. Oh, king Kaiser the third. I think that's what he's going by now. King Kaiser the third. All right, yeah, owner and CEO of Eric's cleaning services out in Florida. Tight, oh, we got Tosh, which I don't think we ever gave her a nickname, it's just Tosh.

Speaker 1:

We have we have Mel, aka Melly Mel, and we have anonymous. We have a person that decided to just be called anonymous. Love anonymous.

Speaker 2:

Anonymous donor you can. You can trust somebody who gives money but doesn't want the fame. You know, leave my name out.

Speaker 1:

You appreciate that. So, yeah, I do. Anyway, I wanted, I wanted the fame because I'm shallow.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, I wanted to be shouted out.

Speaker 1:

The only white boy on the set. So you got. You got to rep.

Speaker 2:

I got to stay here, for I got to stand up for all of us, all the all the white fellas. I'm here to rep.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, I have time to put nothing on. I'm just in my tank top displaying the tattoos and the chain.

Speaker 2:

Looks good. Yo, let's get into these topics, man.

Speaker 1:

I have a pot purry of topics that I want to breeze through. We could do maybe five minutes each. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you just said pot purry. I was like what the fuck's pot purry? You mean pot purry?

Speaker 1:

Pope purry, pope purry.

Speaker 2:

Pot purry. Dude, that's the only way I'm ever going to say it now. Pop purry.

Speaker 1:

Yo, it is pot purry, isn't it?

Speaker 2:

Pot purry yeah.

Speaker 1:

Pot purry. All right, I guess I'm going to start with the biggest story of the week and we're going to probably spend more than five minutes on this one, and that's okay.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And I'm talking about P Diddy Puff, daddy Sean P Diddy Cone, papa Diddy Pop being sued by his ex fling girl Right, I don't know what you want to call her Cassie, yeah, so she sued him for 30. What was it? $30 million, I think so.

Speaker 2:

I didn't really follow it too much, but for alleged rape, sex trafficking and other. Mm, hmm, mm hmm.

Speaker 1:

Before this recording they actually just settled.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I saw that Out of court though. Right, it was a quiet thing Out of court, right.

Speaker 1:

And one can only assume that it was for a very, very large sum. Sure, and I have reason to believe that it was apparently settled for eight figures. Yep, okay, that's a lot of fucking money.

Speaker 2:

It's a lot of money. I mean, you know he has a lot of money and it also sounds like, I don't know, you don't come with a case like that if there's nothing there. I mean it feels like those are big charges.

Speaker 1:

Allegations are crazy. And we've been hearing shit about Diddy, right, yeah, for 30 years we've been hearing about him his involvement in Biggie's death, his involvement in Tupac's death. He put it out on Shug Knight. You know what I'm saying. How he rapes his artists. You know financially at least you know Mace and the Locke, the beef they've had. Yeah, Shine, his shooting in the club and he made Shine take the fall for it For sure. We've been hearing these stories, right, yeah, we hear about his gay sex parties and all it is, and people you know, real quiet, they don't really want to talk about the shit. They say that the devil works hard, but Diddy's lawyers work harder.

Speaker 2:

I mean this. It all kind of feeds into my narrative about billionaires and like that you can't have a moral billionaire. Like there's no way to make the amount of money that Diddy has, or more than that. Like as a as a truly good person, I think you have to fuck people over left and right, you have to be. I mean, the the level of drive that he has is unhealthy and I don't doubt that. I mean for sure he fucked over his artists. Obviously If they were getting a fair cut he wouldn't have the amount of money that he has now.

Speaker 2:

And you know, and not Diddy's, you know, you hear about his relationships with women and like he has an upsetting track record with the way that he treats the women that he is married to and dates and all those things. And it's I don't know man, it's I always tend, you know, I believe women in these situations and it's like I don't think that she's just coming into the situation for money, like I think there was serious I mean there's serious allegations and you know I don't think most lawyers would take a case like this if there wasn't substance to it. So he, you know, I don't, I don't know Diddy, he's another one of those people that it's like Kanye, where people call him a genius, all these different things. Yeah, he's a great, he's done some amazing things in music and stuff, but I don't put him on any sort of pedestal and I don't. You know, all the stories that I hear about him, like these are pretty consistent and they're probably true.

Speaker 1:

But now? But now the rumors are really going to come out and we talk about the death of his ex Right. So now there's going to be all kinds of speculation like, hmm, you know what I mean? Yeah, you have anything to do with this shit.

Speaker 2:

Right, I mean it's hard for me to like when they started to speculate about. You know him like arranging the hit on Tupac.

Speaker 1:

I don't know man. I mean there's lips and bloods that have spoken up about you, sure.

Speaker 2:

Sure, sure, and he doesn't feel like he's got that level of like, but maybe he does, I don't know. It seemed to me like they were all making money in that situation. The beef helped them. You know, sell records. It seems weird to me that he would have done that. I don't know.

Speaker 1:

And you know he went around giving everybody their masters and shit after all these years and he would go on the radio and they would ask him are you doing this? And you know, basically he's saying I just want to make things right with everybody. You know what I mean. Yeah, he would always leave it at that. He would never, you know, he would never admit to doing anything wrong.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that fell to me like it was like admitting, like he'd fucked up.

Speaker 1:

Not only that, I'm feeling for me for a long time he was like trying to clean his conscience right, Like he's trying to throw over a new leaf and he knows he's done a lot of fucked up shit.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1:

I wish Ann was here because I would like to hear his take. But yeah, for sure. Is this when you settle out of court and I know it's not always the case because I've heard Michael Jackson and Eminem and they've talked about this you settle out of court a lot of times because you don't want to go through the rigorous you know court shit and have to deal you know years in the court and spending all court fees and lawyer fees. Yeah, but does this make him look guilt? Is this an admission of guilt when you settle out of court for a large sum of money?

Speaker 2:

I mean socially, I would say yeah for sure. Whether or not it, whether or not it is, I don't know, I mean it's, you know it's. Also. It's one of these things where it's like for a lot of these guys, depending on the amount of money that you're talking about, like, let's just say we're talking wait, eight figures, is that 10 million? So 10 million and above, I mean 10 million. To Diddy, he's worth over a billion dollars. It's worth it for him to just just sweep it under the rug, but I don't think that it. It doesn't make you look not guilty, but you would have. If he had done a protracted legal battle, he could have spent more than 10 million dollars easily on lawyer's fees and stuff. I mean, you don't come out of these things clean and more.

Speaker 1:

And it just occurred to me, like a lot of the big name people that have always been in his life are all dead Executive producers, people that put him in the game, obviously you know what I mean. Yeah, the women in his life, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, it's wonder like.

Speaker 1:

Is this the epitome of like selling your soul to the devil?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, who knows. I mean it's one of the things is like if you, if you're like 50 plus in the music industry, most people around you are probably dead Like it's a hard. It's a hard industry to be in and stay alive, like let alone drugs and all the different things. And you know, he ran in a real fast paced crowd, I mean Biggie. Obviously that was like a unique situation, but I mean just a lot of people die in and around music and especially in and around hip hop.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So all right. I mean, do you think this makes his tarnishes his image? Is he going to lay low for a while? Is he going to do any more music? You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:

I don't know, I mean he's he's such an ego maniac dude I think he has to be fed Like if you do. You follow him on social media.

Speaker 2:

No, not really, oh my God, he's the thirstiest motherfucker ever, like all of his oh yeah, I mean it's like he's in his crazy house and all of his videos. He's like it's like he's a 15 year old kid like trying to just like. Oh, he just wants so much attention. I don't know man. It's like I wouldn't put anything past him. It's like when people say stuff about him, like yeah, that's probably true, he's. He's kind of a monster.

Speaker 1:

I don't. I normally don't judge people when they settle out of court for something Right, but in this case this might be the one exception because of how fast it happened, right.

Speaker 2:

It was real quick, it was like a week.

Speaker 1:

No, it came out that she's suing him and days later he was like yo, we're just gonna sell. We're gonna sell immediately, because that tells me that there's shit that he that that you know.

Speaker 2:

he was worried that may come out in court, that he wants you know no parts of Well this is the because the settling out of court part isn't necessarily an admission of guilt, but I think the bigger part of it that usually comes with the settling out of court is a gag order. Like she's not a lot, she has signed crazy shit that she's not allowed to talk about any of it, and so the fact that he jumped on it so quickly makes me feel like, oh yeah, I mean there's probably some real dark shit and he wanted to cover it up.

Speaker 1:

The one thing she did talk about and it might just even be the tip of the iceberg was one time they I guess she dated Kit Cudi.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, oh, and he tried to burn his car or whatever he did.

Speaker 1:

I tried, or blew it up. His car blew the fuck up.

Speaker 2:

That's him Like that's a mafia shit.

Speaker 1:

You know what I'm saying, but that's what I'm telling you he has the money to to pull shit off like this. But dude, it's so fucking stupid.

Speaker 2:

It's also dramatic. It's like, hey, bro, like I don't know, if you're really trying to like take out your enemies like that, like do it like a real billy, do it like a real king and like just poison them or something, then we'll, then we'll catch you blowing up his car. Fuck out of here.

Speaker 1:

But ultimately, when do we cancel Diddy the way we have our Kelly or at least I have because I refuse. I mentioned, yeah, but I refuse to talk about that man on our show. Yeah, when does it get to the point where we just stop talking about Diddy, because you know what I mean.

Speaker 2:

I mean the dramatic stuff where it's like, oh you know, maybe he had you know, two-pot kill, all the different kind of mafia, sort of things. That's only going to fuel his career. I feel like it can make people more interested in things. When it comes to like rape allegations and things like that, I mean, I don't know, dude, it's Diddy's done making his best work, so like might as well just cancel him now because like he's not really putting out any good shit, that new album of his new R&B album or whatever Pretty trash. Like there was like four good songs and like they weren't even that good. So I don't know. I think it's like just be done with him. There's better people down the road.

Speaker 1:

All right, well, let's move on. Fuck you.

Speaker 2:

Diddy, fuck you, diddy. You're old news Sean.

Speaker 1:

Speaking of new albums, yeah, tell me, you heard this new Andre 3000.

Speaker 2:

I didn't, until this morning. You told me, you told me to listen to it and I Couldn't do it.

Speaker 1:

Oh, boy, I Shit is utter trash. I mean I'm not only because I'm not a fan of the flu, like I like the saxophone. If it would have been the saxophone, I while you would have listened a little bit more.

Speaker 2:

That's an awesome. That's an awesome clarification. If it had been another wind instrument I would have been fucking pumped about it.

Speaker 1:

And it's called the new blue Sun.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think so with the shit.

Speaker 1:

That I thought was funny was the name of some of the songs. Yeah the very first song is called I swear, I really want to make a rap album.

Speaker 2:

It is. It does feel like he's dragging all of us like I don't know. I, I appreciate, dude, I have a lot of different thoughts about it, right? Obviously, andre 3000 he's in my top 10, if not top five, lyricists of all time. I want to hear an Andre 3000 album and I you know what I? Ultimately I want to hear his the hip hop album that he wants to make right like speaker box. Love below was like not, you know, it's supposed to be each of their things or whatever, but I didn't feel like it was his truly independent project.

Speaker 1:

It's crazy, I don't want to hear flute. You just mentioned him as one of the best of all time. He's probably most people's like top 10s, top 15s, top.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, minimum.

Speaker 1:

Yep, he's never had a single album, yeah yeah, no, that's true. He's never people talk about. Oh you know, big pun only had one before he died, lauren, he only has one. This guy has none.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but I mean his verses on his own albums, on his own songs, were unbelievable and other people songs too for sure. I mean his verse. His verse simp on a quennai I've talked about it on the show before is Like one of the best. The final verse of a quennai is one of the best verses of all time. Just like he's. He's just such an interesting lyricist like in my opinion.

Speaker 1:

You know, when you listen to the Donda album, he's the only reason to listen to.

Speaker 2:

It's like the only part of the album that I find Like touching. I know Kanye made the album trying to make it really heartfelt and like whatever, and I'm not Kanye, I just I can't, I don't believe him as far as I could fucking kick him, but the Andre, like his verse on it is so awesome and so touch it, like so what it's like what the album is supposed to be. Yeah, I don't know, man. I mean it's like I appreciate that he's like trying to do new things and have you watched any of the interviews with him? Like where he's like at his laundromat. He goes to the laundromat in his neighborhood, like which must be. I don't know what neighborhood he's in an LA, but like he has a nice house. Let's be real. He definitely has his own washer and dryer and he goes there just like talk to people and play the flute in front of them. I think that's fucking awesome and he's always been eccentric. But a flute album I mean he's gonna be the butt of a lot of jokes for a while though.

Speaker 1:

Another song is titled that night in Hawaii, when I turned into a panther and Started Making I'm trying to read this shit and started making these loud. What the fuck is this that?

Speaker 2:

one night Night in.

Speaker 1:

Hawaii. When I turned into a panther and started making these low registering purring tones that I couldn't Control, she was wild. That's the entire title, shit was great at the end. I love it. That's the name of the song.

Speaker 2:

Do you know? Do you know the guy? Do you know Sufton Stevens? Do you know who they're? Sufjan Stevens, do you know who that is? No, I do not he's like a singer-songwriter guy from maybe Sweden, somewhere like that, but he's known for how, like his album titles and song titles are, like you know, a whole paragraph long. So I feel like, yeah, andre's just been like eating mushrooms, doing a bunch of hallucinogenics. And then he's like let's make this fucking flute album and make it nuts. I'm into it, I don't know be weird.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, let's keep it rolling.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

You know how I feel about now, as he's number one of my yeah Tom rappers list. Sure as he should be. He has launched the quote-unquote paid in full foundation To provide financial and healthcare support to pioneers of hip-hop.

Speaker 2:

Hmm, dude, yeah, sorry, you go.

Speaker 1:

No, my only question was why did he name it after a Rockefeller movie? Is that him like? Is that a shot? Is he still taking shots at Jay, or is that like a moral of a praise or paying homage? So something you know that was a big cultural influence.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but don't you think it's just that it's a classic hip-hop, it's an iconic. It was an album title, song title.

Speaker 1:

Yeah yeah, but I mean to me that when I think of paid in full, I think of that movie. Will you know? Uh Is Mackay Pfeiffer initiative Mackay Pfeiffer.

Speaker 2:

No, see, that's the thing you don't think of Eric Eric being Rick him first. Don't see the reason I thought about it, yeah but now that you mentioned it, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah paying homage to them. It's like the high so first high-selling album, right, and?

Speaker 2:

and so I mean I was thinking about it recently because Rockins been on a bunch of stuff and I've just people have been calling him out or making fun of him for having like for wearing the Same gear on different shows. So he'll like wear the same hat or wearing the same whatever and it's like right out of the early 90s, bro, and.

Speaker 2:

I was thinking about him, dude, and I'm like, yeah, how much money does rock him have? Like, how much money is he actually making from like Airbnb for president or whatever? Like he can't make that much money. Yeah, he's not a fucking billionaire and he hasn't like diversified it. Like rappers nowadays are like me, jay, like we've talked about this Jay-Z and Nas are like giving fucking Investment advice on most of their show, on most of their songs. Now, like dudes weren't doing that back in the day. Like no, big daddy Kane like you know, how much money does big daddy Kane have? And you know, like they said like this is, I don't know. It makes sense to me. It's interesting that it all came. I've been thinking a lot about that. Like the dudes who are the foundational hip-hop guys, like you know, they're working at a car wash.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you made a good point, bro. That's that's. That's bad. That's bad on my part. I fucked up. That's a no, no, no it's definitely paid in full, that he's paying on his.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it's like I came before him. You know, man, yeah, and paid in full, it's like you're full circle. Yeah, it has definitely makes it. Yeah, yeah, I mean cool.

Speaker 1:

Jay was recently asked about him making more songs and making more albums and he said you know, it has to make sense to him. It has to be something that's Giving something to the, to the universe, to the world. Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah yeah. I'm making the same bullshit that he was making anymore. Like you said, they're on the song and they're trying to give financial advice to people.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah on the song saying ignorant shit, talking about how he was selling drugs and Brooklyn, because he did all that. He did that for Sure years totally money. They're on another wavelength now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it is. It's at some point there is kind of also like the age thing comes into it and it's like when snoops making fucking party songs and he's 54 or whatever he is, it's kind of like I don't know, bro, like just be real, like you're, you're starting to drink some metamucil, you're going to bed at 8 30 am or 8 30 pm. Like you know, you're not like partying like you were before. So it's like I just I like the fact that they're that, they're I Don't want to say acting their age, but it is like you know, it's, it's, it's cool, yeah, it's cool to be making music about stuff that you're actually going through.

Speaker 2:

So and Jay-Z, like you know, we talked about the whole. You know five have a half a million bucks or have lunch with Jay-Z or whatever, and he was like don't be a fucking dumbass, like Take the money, buy me. You can buy my albums for 40 bucks, or whatever. I don't any like wisdom I want to impart to you is going to be on the albums. So you know, I just I appreciate that the sentiment about things.

Speaker 1:

Did you mention Snoop Dogg? Yeah, did you hear about something?

Speaker 2:

Like stopping smoking weed.

Speaker 1:

I'm gonna read his direct quote. Okay, he said, after much consideration and conversation with my family, mm-hmm and I can't even read this in my mind with in his voice, right, right, I can't even do, I can't even picture him saying this after much consideration and conversation with my family, I've decided to give up smoke. Please respect my privacy at this time. Hey, like if somebody died or some shit, right? First of all, like you said, they're trying to you know Act, their age and Snoop Dogg yeah, probably close to 60 now probably.

Speaker 1:

I, I Don't believe that shit for one second. I Mean he has his own marijuana line man.

Speaker 2:

Sure, I mean, and there was, you know, I mean the amount, like I can't remember what the guy's name was, but there was the guy that he was. That was his blunt roller. I would roll joints for him and he said he was doing like 75 a day for snoop. I dare like that's just. I mean I at this point in my life I take one puff of weed and I'm like I'm dead. So the fact that he was, I mean he has to like at some point, bring it back a little bit like One thing is like he's probably gonna get emphysema.

Speaker 2:

I mean you studies have?

Speaker 1:

shown that a lot of we smoke, you know, does shit, you know I mean hmm, but again, 70 blunts is 70 blunt, that's over.

Speaker 2:

Jesus Christ, it's just too much.

Speaker 1:

I don't expect him to quit. I expect them to minimize his smoking.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I have, I have a good friend who's like the drunkest dude that I've known in my life and I saw him recently and he's like I stopped drinking and I was like cool, and as he's telling me that he has a beer in his hands, and I was like, well, you're drinking beer. And he's like gay, I mean I start drinking hard alcohol, like.

Speaker 2:

And he had 12 beers that night or whatever but like I stopped for him you know I'm drinking less frequently- yeah, for him that was not drinking and so for Snoop, I think if he smoked three or four blunt today I'd be like that would basically be the equivalent of stopping smoking. Maybe he meant stop smoke and so he's only doing edibles now.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

He just, probably his body just at this point needs weed.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're probably going with droll and shit. This is certain artists that you don't. I can never fathom them Quitting marijuana or yeah well he's one of them. Red man met the man, or others. You know me, yeah, and I mean, do you know gimmick?

Speaker 2:

for sure, and, like a lot of times, the art suffers. I mean, look what happened with Eminem Eminem. Eminem cleaned up and he, his music, went to shit.

Speaker 1:

So that's a snoop.

Speaker 2:

It's not really making that much music anymore. But and red man, all he's doing lately is skydiving. Have you seen that? Yeah, I have.

Speaker 1:

He's just skydiving all the time he's like no, I'm scared, he tried to acting thing and then as soon as they wanted him to get the vaccine, he quit. So, oh yeah, see him on the big screen.

Speaker 2:

Good for him, oh.

Speaker 1:

And actually Snoop was in a song recently because I was gonna ask you if you heard it and I'm talking about the new DJ K-Slay rolling 200 deep Hmm song that recently came out. I don't know it. You know how case they always had these little 10 minute, 20 minute, 15 minute, 30 minute, 40 minute songs, right?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like possible cuts and all things 20, it started off with like 20 people, then 50, then a hundred, now they're up to 200 and I sat there and I watched this fucking shit on YouTube and it's over an hour long and there's literally 200 artists and each artist does eight bars and I counted it. I counted it almost every guy to make sure that nobody went over or under. It was literally eight bars. They were only allowed and a lot of them said it in the bar, like Slay only wanted me to do eight bars, whatever. And it was eight bars each guy for 200 guys.

Speaker 2:

Awesome. Are they all in studio in the videos that the no, no, no, they all recorded their shit separate. It looks like okay, so it's like cameo videos. I mean that's the only way to do it, otherwise the guy song would have cost two million dollars.

Speaker 1:

Sure, it took a long time to edit, because you can tell some guys were probably offbeat or some guys.

Speaker 2:

You know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

I tell that some guys were recording the Video and the vocals weren't you know?

Speaker 2:

lining with the show.

Speaker 1:

I'm not a lot of mouth, so you can't see that it's not but, but it was well made, though, like it must have taken a long time to edit.

Speaker 2:

I can't even imagine.

Speaker 1:

I mean this is.

Speaker 2:

I was just I'm listening to that the Open Mike Eagles show. What it happened was and he's got quest love on this season, some quest. I was talking about the roots albums and he's just one of the things. Main things he's talking about is just mastering things and just like doing, like just making sure all the levels are right on stuff and how long it takes per song that case lay song sending in like cell phone footage. I can't even imagine how long that took to master.

Speaker 1:

And then the beat switches up and I mean I'm most part of the same beef for our, but you know it has different cadences to it and different yeah to it in different parts. So people have to jump in. You have to make it sound right. Oh man, that shit probably took months to put together. And I mentioned, you mentioned snoop, so he was on it. He has a yeah has a little verse on there. I can't remember everybody that was on. It was 200 people. A lot of them were like underground. A lot Of more of guys I never heard of.

Speaker 2:

Just guys from the case lays convenience store and some of them he's in.

Speaker 1:

some of you know some of the parts of the videos, case lays with them. You know, I mean on right shit. One of the people that stood out to me was big daddy Kane. Yeah, because, because he's honored and he had one to me and my obviously, my opinion, I'm old school head he had one of the best verses on the shit. Yeah, you know, I'm saying you get guys you know from the, from the 80s and shit that come on and it doesn't really translate well, yeah, I mean they're still yeah, can we touch ago?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah but Kane, he's still spitting.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and they had older guys on there.

Speaker 1:

They had, I'm trying to think, melly Mel. You know, melly Mel, what's? The dude has always on steroids. Melly Mel, he was on there, you know his verses or whatever you know. I mean, yeah, and they had some other dudes that were real old and you, like, you could tell it's dated, it's dated.

Speaker 2:

Yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, they haven't changed up their style. But I came but Kane always wrapped, like I mean, he was always like a rappers rapper. You know it's like you listen to it, like the way and him and rock him and like certain people like they had that flow. You know Will Smith talks about it a lot with the summertime verse, like whether or not Rackim wrote that, because it was just like it's ahead of its time and they could still you still listen to rock him, rap now and he wraps with the beat in a way that's very modern.

Speaker 1:

I think rock him was on it. Like I said, it was 200 people. I would have to go back and watch 200 people, it's like I don't want to sit through another hour of that shit. I mean I didn't sit for an hour straight like I would watch 10 15 minutes I was right. I would do something. Come back, sure, and I did that, you know.

Speaker 2:

I mean 200 people makes me nervous that it's gonna be like you were talking about Kodak Black last week or whatever. It's like, yeah, I would be nervous like oh god, how many fucking fillers of these mumble rap assholes are gonna be on here like I can't listen to Kodak Black. Even do eight bars, I'll kill myself.

Speaker 1:

I can't, I can't, but it wasn't mumble. It wasn't mumble. Paul Wall was on there, I remember. Yeah, you know who.

Speaker 1:

I saw on there and this is one of the guys old school dudes that to me, has gotten better with a yeah, and I'm talking about Peter Guns. Really, he did a verse on there. The problem with Peter Guns is that he doesn't put out music, right. Right, every once in a while He'll just be on featured on one of the K Slade things. You know. He'll have a little verse here and, yeah, he'll do a little video with his son, corey and they'll spray back and forth and I'm like yo, his shit is dope, His shit is nice, but he's just been living off for that one-hit wonder for the last 30 years, right, yeah you know, but I'm like I'm listening to him, I'm like, damn, peter Panky still has it bro.

Speaker 1:

I yeah, go check that shit out. Alright, video bro.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, our, if your board always. Yeah, reserve my afternoon for it you.

Speaker 1:

Speaking of the culture, new York City declared November 9th Wu Tang Day and we're celebrating. What are we celebrating now? The 30th anniversary of the 36 chambers? Yeah to the 36 chambers. Yeah, which makes me feel old. I mean, I just turned 40. I just celebrated my 40th birthday in Jamaica. Shout outs to me happy birthday back, and it makes me feel old. I'm like shit. It's been 30 years. Because I had this album as a child. Yes, you were tan, I was tan and I had. Then I remember my dad broke it. Yeah, my dad walked in my room and I had oh, I had entered the 36 chambers, yep, and I also had the DMX is dark and hell is hot CD. Right, and you know he wasn't having that shit because he ain't want me listening to, you know, violence and shit that had curse in it.

Speaker 1:

And I wouldn't even consider Wu Tang to be violent as much as they would have profanity. The DMX Definitely had a lot of violence. Oh yeah, I would argue that that album was horror core.

Speaker 2:

Well, he was trying, yeah, he was trying to do that kind of yeah, I gravedigger is sort of like it's maybe it's a Tannock man, you know. Yeah, right, you're dead.

Speaker 1:

I'm awake, I'm gonna kill you, you know. So. My dad took both of those CDs and broke them in half. I remember that shit in front of you? Yeah, he broke them in half and that's awesome.

Speaker 2:

That's there's been traumatizing.

Speaker 1:

But now I can just go on my phone and listen to the albums anytime I want.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, try to break this dad.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but like damn, 36 chambers and I'm sitting there and I'm listening to this shit and I'm writing down the lyrics is what I used to do. I used to put the shit on my little headphones and I would write the little. I had no idea what anything meant, that the fucking Wu Tang was saying you know, yeah, you can listen to it now, 30 years later, and I'm like, oh, this shit makes more sense to me now right, Wu Tang is not really known for making tons of sense.

Speaker 2:

No, especially go to be yeah yeah, ghost phase.

Speaker 1:

Don't even know what the fuck. No he admit that shit in one time. They, a lot of the sheen, even know what the fuck what he was saying.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, I mean when girls face also is one of those people who like he, like he was more. It was more about finding the rhyme than it was me kind of making a story or whatever I don't know what. It's still one of my favorites, though.

Speaker 1:

It just sounded raw, it just sounded dope and flawless. The beats for sure, yeah, whether you know what the fuck they were saying they would. I was listening to the radio the day Ebro and num and Peter Rosenberg, 1997 and they were talking about that and they were taking call. They were taking callers and and people were calling in from all over the world Telling them what this album meant to them. 36 chambers, yeah, and there was people calling in from like other countries, like Latin countries, that they didn't even speak English during the time. Oh yeah, and they were on the radio talking to these guys with their broken English. He was like, yeah, I had this album when I was growing up. I didn't even know English and I was listening to it and it was my favorite album ever. And they're like, how, what the fuck? How you know, even know what they were. They were like, yeah, we didn't know what they were saying, but the beats were dope, they're just sounded good you know.

Speaker 2:

But, dude, this is like where you know like so many artists will talk about going to, like Japan and Whole crowd doesn't speak, like basically doesn't speak English, but they know every single fucking word and can you know? There's something about it like that that transcends, like whether or not you know how to you know Speak the language or not, and that was definitely like a formative album that got an A&R push in Europe and in Asia. That, like that was like the kind of the first time or the first part of history you know the history of hip-hop when, like a and r was, they were pushing, pushing, pushing for Eastern block countries, european countries in Asia, because they wanted to start touring the artists and making more money out of them. You know.

Speaker 1:

I would argue that Wu Tang clan is the biggest Underground entity of all time.

Speaker 2:

You, should you call them underground?

Speaker 1:

Because they've been, but they were blackball, remember we were really there, were. They didn't have a lot of songs on the radio. Like right now that's the main stream one, right? Yeah, but they were blackballed by like hot 97. Yeah, and now, at the time that was the only hip-hop station in New York. Yeah, so unless they were on a music video, you know, I mean we weren't really hearing them on the radio, and yet they still made it to a certain level. They still for sure in Super stardom without having maximum exposure Right right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean it's. I would wonder, I would love to see like a chart of, like you know, mount spent on a group, versus how much they, how much revenue they brought in and Wu Tang probably has you know one of the kind of the highest profit margins, because they were just. I mean I Would, because I remember, like Wu Tang, I was like a big Wu Tang fan, like and then, but more of a fan of the individual albums and, yeah, dude, I mean I guess I could go with calling them underground. They're at that kind of like threshold point where they weren't pop, you know they weren't they, but they, I wouldn't call them backpack rapper Anything, but like they are the most pop of backpack rapper, I'd say Wu.

Speaker 1:

Tang Klang ain't not a fuck with nah Moving along. I don't know how much you've seen this argument online. This is the DMX versus Tupac debate. Hmm, somebody decided to, that's.

Speaker 2:

Paul rapper.

Speaker 1:

Not necessarily, but what they're saying is that I mean, although they do have a lot of similarities, hmm, obviously, like the appearance, yeah, and like the, I think the, the there's a lot of similarities in the rap, because I call them passion rappers, because they weren't like the best lyrically. Yeah, okay, felt what they would say and you feel yeah sure like caucus was not a better rapper than Biggie right, he made you feel some shit. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean he was poetic in a sense. I mean he, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

And so it just took off online and went viral, because people are saying like wait a minute, why are we comparing Pac and Biggie? And then people were commenting like well, not pocket biggie Pac in and DMX. Yeah and they're saying well, the argument is much closer than people may think. Hmm and. I have not heard this argument.

Speaker 2:

I don't know. I mean I have to think about it. I mean they both have there a lot of their songs are storytelling, like a lot of it is about kind of a character. I mean Biggie was just so much of a. I don't know. I think the Biggie Tupac, you know, contest for me is like it's just different, it's too different. There's like very different rappers and they're not like it's not East Coast, west Coast. One of them was like it's just like Biggie was. You know, biggie was Biggie. He was, like you know, influenced by Puff and aren't, aren't being more hard next though.

Speaker 2:

DMX. I don't know. I always think of DMX kind of was in his own category. I don't think of DMX as like a lyricist, for sure I mean it's, but it is like kind of from the storytelling perspective, I can see where he could be compared to Tupac and I don't know. I have to think about it. I got you on it.

Speaker 1:

The only difference is that, you know, obviously Poc had a million albums, whereas you know, x had that first album, which was classic. Sure, second album was really good, third album was okay, but then after that he fell off. Right, but that first album to me is my favorite hip hop album of all time and I would and I would put that up against any Tupac album.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean Tupac's albums weren't the standouts. I mean I don't think that, like he had singles that were standouts for sure, right, yeah, a lot of good songs. Albums they always kept felt kind of discombobulated or whatever Like. But Darkest Hells, it's Dark and Hell's Hot, you're saying.

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 2:

The second one was Flesh of my Flesh, blood, of my Blood, which is really good, yeah, I mean no, but it's Dark and Hell's Hot was like it felt like a concept album, Like it was thorough, Like it felt like it was like doing a half, like a story to tell front to back.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, like a movie. Every, every song went into the next one and it felt like they all connected together. That's your favorite of all time. Have you said that before? We've talked about that on here. We did a whole episode about our top albums of all time that is my number one favorite album.

Speaker 2:

I forgot that was your number one. All right, yeah, I mean, I'm with that. I got it.

Speaker 1:

I support it. Lauren Hill, miss Education is in my top five, but DMX is Dark and Hell is Hot is my favorite album of all time.

Speaker 2:

All right, I'm going to listen to it today.

Speaker 1:

And I, you know, I'm here for the comparisons of him and Tupac. They look alike, they're both baldheaded. They both, you know they preach that thug life mentality, sure.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

But all right, the last topic that I wanted to show with and I said I've been saying for the last few weeks that I don't want to talk about this man anymore, but he just keeps popping up. His wife keeps popping up. He keeps popping up. You know, I'm ready to talk about William, william, william.

Speaker 1:

Willard Willard, willard, willard, willard because a former employee and, quote unquote, best friend, brother Bilal, decided to start speaking out about how Will Smith is gay and how he had a romantic relationship with Dwayne Martin. Like, first of all, whether this is true or not, I feel like this is just a disgruntled employee, right Ex-employee? Yeah. I mean, I'm an ex-employee and now he wants to start talking shit.

Speaker 2:

Of course. I believe an ex-employee like I believe a fucking tabloid rag or whatever. It's like no, you're just pissed off and you want to burn someone down.

Speaker 1:

They asked Jada about it, jada said that we're going to sue Yep, you said her and we're going to sue this fucking guy. So I mean there's been rumors that Will is gay and gay parties and whatever right. There's been rumors about that shit.

Speaker 2:

I mean he played gay characters on TV and he played them very well, I think that every it would do everybody a whole lot of good to a like he's bisexual. If he's bisexual, you know he's not gay, I mean, and if he's gay he's gay, whatever. But I think he's had romantic relationships with women so he's at, you know, bisexual. And also I think it would do everybody a whole lot of good to just kind of like look at sexuality as more of a spectrum and just be like, yeah, some people are like fully more in this direction, fully more in that direction, but everybody has kind of attractions to all different people. It would just make it a whole lot easier if people weren't so polarized about the whole gay straight by thing. You know it just everybody's like and it's still like who the fuck cares?

Speaker 1:

I mean he's an actor, he's a progressive take on your part. Hell yeah, I mean Portland Oregon represent.

Speaker 2:

Just calm the fuck down. Who cares what holes they stick anything into, it's theirs, it's their biz, you fucking liberal, you know baby.

Speaker 1:

But yeah, I mean, if he's gay, he's, that's fine. I think they should just leave this man alone, right? Like just let's just leave him alone for like a year, let him bounce back. We know he's probably bisexual. We know he's been in an open marriage for the longest time. Sure, it is what it is.

Speaker 2:

It is what it is and it's like you know, in Hollywood it's like I don't know. It's just. The one thing I think that all this proves is that, like through all of this and like listening to Will's new podcast and everything like he's just I think he's just like a, really like a pretty nice guy. I also think he's pretty affected by Hollywood. He's kind of ridiculous, like might refer to himself in the third person. I don't know man, I just don't find it all that interesting. I think Jada is like she's feeling her star start to fade and maybe her star was never really that bright, and so she's just like yep, yep, yep, but it's, I don't know man, just just let him do his thing. He's kind of a wiener, like he's been a cuckold in his relationship. Just give the guy a little bit of fucking space.

Speaker 1:

Just leave my man alone, man, like that Michael Jackson song. Leave me alone, exactly, yeah, but that's gonna be our episode. Man, we covered like six topics today.

Speaker 2:

We nailed it, bang bang, f***ing, crushed it.

Speaker 1:

We definitely missed Ant man. He couldn't be here with us today. He's doing, you know, his social work. Yeah, he's doing God's work out here. Sure is, he's a God among men. I'll say this, though this episode would have definitely been like two hours with him on it.

Speaker 2:

No doubt he would have some things to say.

Speaker 1:

He likes to argue, he likes to complain that I don't let him talk. But I think it's the total opposite I think he talks he definitely talks.

Speaker 2:

I've got my. I said I've got my pulpit right over here. He could, he can, get on the pulpit and preach when everyone's still.

Speaker 1:

Yo, this was episode 148. We're almost there, man Woo. We're almost at another milestone. That's a lot on YouTube now. We're everywhere, man. Go subscribe like share follow all that good shit, la cultura, peace, peace.

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