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Generational Gap in Hip-Hop

• Jeff and Anthony • Episode 155

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Can commercial success ever truly reflect artistic quality? We tackle this burning question as The Culture's Jeff, along with Lindsey from ReeVolt Records, analyze Apple Music's Top 100 Best Albums of All Time. We passionately scrutinize the ranking of "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill" at number one, comparing it to legendary albums like Michael Jackson's "Thriller." We'll break down the top ten, featuring music icons such as Beyoncé, Nirvana, Amy Winehouse, Kendrick Lamar, Stevie Wonder, Frank Ocean, Prince, and The Beatles, and challenge the criteria behind these rankings. Expect a heated debate on whether sales figures should outweigh artistic brilliance.

Shifting gears, we delve into the complex issue of racial slurs and generational divides in hip-hop, sparked by Method Man's recent decision to step back from Hot 97's Summer Jam. This conversation explores the contrasting preferences of older and younger Hip-Hop fans and how these differences shape the lineups at major events. Lindsey and Jeff reflect on the varying reactions at concerts that celebrate Hip-Hop's roots versus those focusing on contemporary mainstream artists, discussing the importance of understanding the genre's rich history as we try to understand why the younger generation refuses to acknowledge o respect the past.

Finally, we take a nostalgic journey through how music consumption has evolved from the pre-digital era to today's streaming dominance. Remember the struggle of saving up for CDs or borrowing albums from friends? We share personal anecdotes about those days and consider the impact of easy access provided by platforms like Apple Music and Spotify. Wrapping up, we celebrate the influence of Hip-Hop pioneers on modern artists and give a heartfelt shoutout to our contributors and supporters, ensuring our listeners feel connected to our vibrant community. Join us for a thought-provoking episode that bridges the gap between Hip-Hop generations and honors the legacy of the culture's trailblazers. #summerjam #methodman #laurynhill #hiphopculture

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Jeff:

Yo, yo, yo, yo yo. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the Culture. This is episode 155. As you can see, I'm your boy, jeff. I am not here with my main man, ant. We got another special guest today filling in. He is a longtime listener and supporter of the Culture. He is Lindsey of Revolt Records. Thank you for joining me today, man. What's going?

Lindsey:

on buddy. Introduce yourself to the folks, bro. My name's Lindsay, one of the co-owners and founders of Revolt Records, little independent record label based out of Rhode Island. We got artists and acts from the UK, Mississippi, Rhode Island. We've worked with some people down in Maryland, North Carolina, Just kind of doing that, making as much music as we can with some of the most talented artists we can find.

Jeff:

As he casually handles his drug paraphernalia.

Lindsey:

It was a rough night. I'm still recovering.

Jeff:

Oh shit, all right, man, man, let's get right into it, man, because, as you've known if you've been hearing the last few episodes, I try to get right into it. I try not to make long episodes anymore, because I've learned that this generation's attention span is fucking minuscule as fuck.

Jeff:

I try to keep episodes no more than 30 minutes. So all right, let's get right into some of these topics. I got a lot of things going on today I want to discuss. Uh, met the man, something he said. I do have a new ghetto word of the week. All right, but first, is that racist? No, apple music recently released their top 100 best albums of all time, correct, yeah? They did all right, I'm not for before. Before we get into it, I'm not going to pretend that apple music is the end, all be all.

Jeff:

You know what I mean. And music authority, but they are respected conglomerate right.

Jeff:

Yeah, it was better than rolling stone right and they put out the 100 album, not hip-hop albums, albums in general, of all genres, yep. And they put miss lauren hill, the miseducation of lauren hill, as their number one. And here we have a picture of her and ebro from hot 97 as they're giving her the you know, telling her the news that her album was chose number one. And of course you see the backlash. And aunt knows this. You probably know this from hearing the show. Like you know how I feel about lauren hill, I know I have miseducation in my top five of hip-hop albums hip-hop albums of all time and she's not even number one.

Jeff:

She's in my top five but she's not even number one in that genre. So it's safe to say that I wouldn't even put her number one of all time in any genre. I agree, and we'll get into the criterias. We're going to get into the criterias soon. But they had Thriller at number 2. Let's look up the whole list here. I'm not going to go through the whole 100, but we could do at least the top 10. We could dissect the top 10. At least this is the list. They had Beyonce at 10.

Lindsey:

They had Nirvana at list they had beyonce at 10, they had nirvana at nine.

Jeff:

They had amy winehouse. Rest in peace. At eight. Kendrick lamar good kid mad city at seven. Stevie wonder at six. Frank ocean five. Prince purple, rain for the beatles. Three, michael jackson thriller, which would be my all-time number one of any genre. They have him at two and lauren hill at number one.

Jeff:

So give me your take on this shit, man. The people are losing their shit online and I tell people like, look man, these lists don't mean anything. If you've gone on my youtube page, I got all types of lists and a lot of people are like, oh, what the fuck is this? It gets people talking, right? That's that's what these lists are. People love lists. Top 10 lists people love them. I love lists. I always do lists on anything top five rappers, top this, top players, whatever. It's just a conversation starter. They don't mean shit. This is not the definitive list of anything. They just got a bunch of people in a room. They all had their opinion, they all followed whatever criteria they wanted to follow and this is what they came up with and it gets people talking and for weeks people were talking about this fucking shit and you know it feels like they made the list based off of you know what was the biggest album, maybe not what was necessarily the best album.

Jeff:

A lot of those albums in there were fucking huge in their time, yeah, but I wouldn't even say that Miseducation was bigger than any of those other albums either.

Lindsey:

I don't know if I'd go that far, but Miseducation was fucking huge. Blonde was fucking huge. Abbey Road was fucking huge. In my opinion, there's only maybe two or three albums in that list that belong there in terms of quality. Everything else just feels like this was like one of the biggest moments of its time, of its era, and so they put it up there for that. But fucking lemonade, no, absolutely not, absolutely not. Blonde, absolutely not. Abbey road, absolutely fucking not. Winehouse am Amy Winehouse? Amy Winehouse? Absolutely not.

Lindsey:

Like, if you're not putting anything from Pink Floyd, anything from Zeppelin, over Amy Winehouse, it's just fucking ridiculous. The Cure disintegration being, if I'm not mistaken, it was like number 27 or number 28. Like that's one of the most perfect albums ever made, in my opinion, in terms of not even genre, just across the board. That is an absolute perfect, fucking album. Fucking um miles davis yeah, kind of blue, but again one of the most perfect albums, in my opinion, that's ever been made. Didn't even crack the fucking top 10. Like it just seems they're going for what was big, what was the most popular, what maybe had a lot of influence moving forward. But I mean, dude, frank ocean being above stevie, are you out of your mind?

Jeff:

and I love again, I love the miseducation. A lot of people don't even consider it a hip-hop album. They think it's an r&b album. It has a lot of singing, but it does have a lot of rapping, so to me it's a hip-hop album. I have a blend. I have it maybe number two or three in my top five list of hip-hop albums. As far as of all time albums, yo fucking thriller. That's like the only album I've ever seen that has like every song is a single. Every song is like a number one hit single on the entire album. Like what other albums can you say that shit about?

Lindsey:

Yeah, but also beyond that. I mean Thriller is filled with quality music from start to finish. I mean they got huge because of how good the songs were, not because of, oh, marketing, promotion, how we pushed it, how we did. This stupid little fucking marketing technique Like Thriller is based off of the quality of its fucking content, like hands down. Just because everything kind of went huge doesn't really change anything, because the quality of that album, start to finish, is fucking impeccable. So I got no problem with that. It's just some of these other ones like you have no business putting blonde above songs in the key of life. Again, one of the most perfect albums ever made by an artist in the past 40, 50 years.

Jeff:

So what was the criteria, you ask? I pulled it up. Oh shit, all right, the voters. I don't know how many of them were they, but they were challenged not to vote for their favorites. But this is the criteria Albums that represented a cultural moment for the artist or genre. Albums that were complete thoughts, not just collections of hit songs. Albums that thoroughly represent culture and production and lyrics. Albums that inspired a generation to want to create more music. Albums that represent the best in storytelling, musicianship, recording and production. And, finally, albums that are timeless and reached far beyond the genre categorization. Those were supposedly the criteria.

Lindsey:

It doesn't seem like quality is up on that list. It does seem like it's just basically influence what was big, what was popular, what had the most amount of buzz and what continued to have buzz even, you know, decades later. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying if we're going for best albums of all time, we got to bring quality into it. You have to bring in the album as a whole. You have to bring in what's the album trying to say. How do the songs convey the message that the album and the overall theme is trying to, you know, convey and get across. And I mean there's so many albums out there that do that, and at such a high level that they, in my opinion, belong on this list over some of these other albums. Like I just can't believe beyonce Lemonade is in the top 10 albums ever made. I wouldn't have put that in the top 100.

Jeff:

This is a dumb conspiracy, but do you think Lauren paid them to do this? Because right after she announced that she's making a new album that she'll be dropping this year. Now I don't think she would have more money. I don't think she has more money than anybody on this list, because if Beyonce wanted to pay Apple Music to put her number one, she has the resources to do that shit.

Lindsey:

I mean I'm sure people are paying to get their stuff up higher, but I mean that really, unless you're doing like an Apple exclusive, what the fuck does it matter? Right and maybe, she is, maybe she is. Maybe she is, though that hasn't happened in a while, like I can't think of the last big artist who was like okay, I'm only gonna put this out.

Jeff:

Wasn't it black star? Didn't they do some shit like that?

Lindsey:

yeah, they went on. They didn't even go on dsps, they went on their own little like streaming platform, yeah, and you could grab it like that, but nothing's gonna be exclusive to just spotify or just apple music. So I don't know, maybe she paid, maybe she didn't.

Jeff:

Regardless, I don't think it fucking belongs there all right, and I don't want to make this out to be like oh, we're bashing lauren, because everybody knows I love. No, I love that fucking album man Love it, but does it deserve to be even on the top 10 of this list?

Lindsey:

With some of the other albums that exist out there in the ether over the past. What are we?

Jeff:

rolling stones. Rolling Stones had their top 100. And I don't even think Miseducation was in the top 10.

Lindsey:

I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad if it's in the top 10. I'm not mad if it's out of the top 10. I just don't think it's number one, like I just don't. There's just so many other great bands and great artists over the years that deserve recognition for the art that they created. Over somebody who's like Beyonce, like oh, this is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, female artists in the world and this album was fucking everywhere when it came out. That's great and the album's good. I'm not shitting on Lemonade, you know for what it is. It's a good fucking album. It's just, man, there's so much out there. Like how are you going to put that over Miles Davis? How are you going to put that over the Cure? How are you going to put that over Led Zeppelin? How are you going to put that over?

Jeff:

I was surprised I didn't see some rock albums in there. You know what I'm saying. Like you said, Led Zeppelin.

Lindsey:

Some of those classic rock, even Nirvana, like I love, nevermind.

Jeff:

Well, Nirvana was on there.

Lindsey:

Yeah, nevermind is a great album. Is it one of the greatest top 10 albums ever created? I don't think so, and Kurt Cobain.

Jeff:

I like their other album better. What's the one with the naked baby in the cover?

Lindsey:

I like Bleach and I like In Utero. What's the one on the list all?

Jeff:

right, cool, cool, and that was the name of the album. I didn't even know that was the name of that shit. Yeah, that was never mind it's a great album.

Lindsey:

It really is, and I just it's not my favorite. I get. We're not going for favorites on this, we're going for like start to finish what I would do quality of the album, start to finish, content message, like all of that. I agree. Like, nevermind is up there for nirvana, it's just I think nirvana has better albums than nevermind. Plus, you didn't get any pearl jam 10 uh, not on there. I didn't see that up there. Um, alice in chains dirt like. If you're gonna go from so you know some of those classic grunge era albums. I mean, if nirvana nevermind is up there, some of these other ones belong to like. In my opinion, 10 from pearl jam is a better album than nirvana nevermind. That might be a hot take, I don't know, but it's just how I look at it.

Jeff:

I'm sure some people on twitter might have some shit to say about that shit. We'll find out. Shout out to the barbershop. Yo, all right, man, let's get into this ghetto. Ghetto, word of the week. What do we got? Yeah, I wish ant was here for this. Have you ever heard of the term jigaboo, not to be confused with like jugaboo, because, right, they didn't like, they didn't like beyonce have a song where you're a jugaboo, the jugaboo, jugaboo. This is not that.

Jeff:

This is jiggaboo are you a white racist motherfucker. Why are you laughing at this? So you know? I just I know what jiggaboo is, okay, well, I didn't know that this was a derogatory term until I looked it up on urban dictionary. This is new to you. This word is new to me as far as being a fucking derogatory term. Okay, according to urban dictionary, it is a black or african-american person who the fuck knew. I've never heard somebody refer to nobody as a yo, you fucking jigaboo. I mean, I never heard that shit and the senses that they used was yo. The other night I went to harlem and saw jigaboos.

Lindsey:

God damn, that sounds racist as fuck, holy shit yeah, I mean I can't believe we're having is that racist? For a racial slur derogatory term?

Jeff:

that's this is, this is an this is a ghetto word of the week oh, my bad, that's right I guess it could turn into an is that racist moment?

Lindsey:

I don't think we need to question that. It's definitely racist. It's always been racist.

Jeff:

So I shouldn't even use the word jigaboo.

Lindsey:

I would not personally. Is it as bad as the N word? Oh, I don't know if anything in terms of derogatory terms for black people is as bad as the N word, but I mean, that's fucking up there. That's a fucked up word. It's like.

Jeff:

I'm moving on because All right.

Lindsey:

I'm curious where it comes from, cause everything has a base, everything has like a starting point Like where the fuck does that come from? Does it come?

Jeff:

from gigolo.

Lindsey:

I don't know. I mean mean, how can you turn the word gigolo into something racist? I don't know. We're gonna have to look up that words. Uh, what is it etymology? What's the word I'm looking for?

Jeff:

we gotta look that up all right, let me move on man so hot 97 recently had their yearly summer jam concert. Right, met the man and red man perform like they always do. So Hot 97 recently had their yearly Summer Jam concert, right, mm Method man and Redman perform like they always do, yup, like they always start the shit off high intensity, right, yes, sir, jumping off the stage doing all types of wild shit. I posted up the XXL Magazine cover there where Method man says he's not coming back to perform at Summer Jam. His direct quote was never again. At this point, the generation gap is just too wide for me, no-transcript.

Jeff:

And look at the lineup. Look at the fucking lineup that they have Doja Cat, fucking Offset, who decided to come outside. Sexy Red, who's now involved in like WWE and shit. She doesn't know what she wants to do. Method man and Red man. Sleepy Hollow, devito T-Grizzly 41. So who stands out? Who doesn't belong on this list? Yeah, it's like one of these things. It's not like the others. Who is not like Method man and Red man? Right? So that's the lineup. Let me pull up his direct yeah, his direct quote. Look at his direct quote right here. Hold on, I got it. He goes. It's not our crowd at all. Thanks again, new york and the whole tri-state area showed up for the event, plus p and e, bro. I got love for you guys referring to peter rosenberg and ebro from high 97, but never again. At this point the generation gap is just too wide for me. I can imagine that the fans probably half of these motherfucking kids didn't even know who these guys were right no, probably just a name.

Jeff:

Only if you tried to, you know name five method man songs named five red man songs and name one they probably know met the man from power, if they even watch that and they don't know red man at all.

Lindsey:

Yeah, that's a shame you.

Jeff:

And if they starting off the show, people probably just arriving, they probably ain't know what was going on. Nobody was probably cheering. I went to the Hip Hop 50 at Yankee Stadium last year to celebrate 50 years of hip hop and Method man came out and everybody went fucking bonkers, right. Obviously girls went bonkers, you know what I'm saying. He comes out in a tank top or he takes his shirt off or whatever and everybody's going crazy. But you know, matt the man, because there was, realistically, 50 years of hip-hop, the majority of people in there were over 30, correct, you know right.

Jeff:

So I also saw it in both, both ways, like I. Because when naz came out for the hip-hop 50 and he started doing songs from his later, from his like his last couple albums, including a song that he did with lauren hill, which I love, and I was singing the lyrics to the shit, I looked around and nobody even knew the fucking song. They didn't even know that was lauren. When she came out I had dudes asking me who's that? I'm like that's lauren hill, bro, and I'm singing the lyrics and I was the only one. In the whole yankee stadium it's 40, 50 000 people there I was the only one that knew the song, because that's from naz's like latest album.

Jeff:

Right, the people are you talking about the one where she spit yeah, yeah, okay, she had a hot ass verse on that shit, she did she did that's how naz brought her out. He brought her out to that song that they did. Nobody knew the fucking song but me. And then she had to tell the dj like yo, let's cut this shit. And then they played the shit that everybody knows.

Lindsey:

Yeah, they went to the world, they went to that and that shit bothered me.

Jeff:

I was like damn so these motherfuckers, these old heads, only know the old shit. You know what I mean. They don't know the new shit. But then if you go to a young concert with you know the Summer Jam, those young motherfuckers only know the new shit and they don't know the method man and red man shit I saw it both ways, and I was like I don't know how we could fix that.

Jeff:

I don't know where, you know, I mean the disconnect is between the coaches, between generations, because, all right, even when we grew up, we wasn't listening to like fucking marley, you know, molly mall or grandmaster flash, but there was a lot of influences, though. Even the guys that we grew up listening or that I grew up listening to in the late 80s, early 90s, were taking shit from those guys from the 70s and 80s. You know what I mean. They were taking shit from krs, from rakim, from, you know, the beastie boys from. You know what I mean. They were taking beats from them, they were taking certain. They were borrowing lyrics and verses and little things like that. And it's not like we ain't know who these guys were, because our guys were mentioning them, you know, mentioning them in songs and shit like that. But it's like these new kids are like oblivious to anything that happened before them, and that's one of the shit that fucking bothers me about this generation bro.

Lindsey:

What I did I meant to say.

Jeff:

Like you know, I don't even want Hot 97's money. Don't even invite me back.

Lindsey:

That's telling, telling. I don't want to be performing in front of a crowd that don't even know who I am or what my music is, type shit. Yeah, I mean, at least I think there's some kind of generational gap going on because I mean maybe you, like you just said, weren't like this, but like when I was coming up like I don't know, like 1991 give or take is when I got started really getting into hip-hop. It was like nine years old and by the time I'm like 14, 15 years old, um, you start to hear all these references, um, and eventually you start going back because you want to see at least I did what came before. Start going back because you want to see at least I did what came before.

Lindsey:

So I started listening to the old, at least at that time, like older public enemy, older nwa, some easy e, because obviously he was still going 91, 92, but just going back and listening third base beasties run dmc, everything that death at jam was doing at the beginning, um. And what's funny, what's really funny about this is do you remember the album? In the beginning there was rap. Yes, okay, this is almost what started it, because that album came out and I listened to that album and it made me want to go back and hear the original versions of the songs, because it's just newer artists covering and redoing songs from like that previous generation of like the 80s guys, that was like a compilation album though it was, so it's a whole bunch of new artists doing older artists from the.

Jeff:

It was like our version of wow, remember them cds. Wow, that's what you call music or whatever and they would have like 20 random tracks of all types of genres and shit.

Lindsey:

Yep, and through that it was like I wanted to go back and really delve into the catalogs of these artists because I knew everything and was listening to everything that was new at the time, but especially back then. Man, like we didn't have fucking streaming, we didn't have. You want to listen to the song? Push a button. There was, oh shit.

Lindsey:

Ok, this used CD is eight dollars and in order for me to get that eight dollars I'm gonna have to mow like two lawns. I'm gonna have to go try and find some neighbors in the yard who need some stuff done like around the neighborhood. I'm gonna have to try and find a way, get that eight dollars so I can get down to the used cd store and buy that one album and that's it. It's fucking hit or miss. If you get that album and it sucks and you're just you're fucked. But it wasn't as easy to get all of these albums. So unless you had an older brother, an older cousin, an uncle or somebody who had, like that, either tape or cd collection already established, dude, it was a grind to try and listen to that music that came before us because it's fucking expensive. Even back then $8, I know it wasn't a lot, doesn't sound like a lot, but $8 back then was a lot of money.

Lindsey:

So what you had to go through yeah, and even a fucking 15 trying to get $10 so I can go buy one used CD to see oh, is this even good? Do I even like this?

Jeff:

Sometimes we buy the shit just to listen to the one song we like, and then they even listen to the other shit. Yep.

Lindsey:

And so it was almost like there was a barrier for us for how much you could actually listen to, because you only had so much money at your disposal. You wanted to be buying some of the new cds that came out, but you also wanted to hear some of that music that came before you. So, again, you were shit out of luck if you didn't have one of those older individuals in your life.

Jeff:

That's where I'm getting at which I think that's part of the disconnect between our generation and today's generation. When we found out that something was influenced from something from the past, I was curious to go check that out. Facts Like when Snoop Dogg and his first album a doggy style. He does that song the lotty dotty.

Jeff:

I had no idea who slick Rick was. Right Facts. Years later I find out oh shit, he's took that from slick rick. He's paying homage to slick rick. So let me go listen to the original one. And now obviously we have internet and now I can search shit. Back then we ain't have that shit.

Lindsey:

You know what I mean yeah, you have to buy the whole cd today's kids.

Jeff:

You tell them you know, offset made a whole song, but his, his version is you know it's from like krs1 from 1988. They don't give a fuck. They're like we don't give a fuck. They're like oh, we don't give a fuck, who's KRS-One, we don't care. You know what I mean. If Drake comes out with something that's inspired from some shit from the 90s, they don't give a fuck. Yo, I'm running around and I'm listening on the radio in my car and I hear that Busta Rhyme beat on at least three different songs. Oh yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Whatever the fuck, if you really want to party with me. So they're using that beat. They got what's the one song? Because girls is players too. They got it on that. What's that bitch's name? I spice.

Lindsey:

I don't know how to listen to that shit.

Jeff:

They got the beat on that song. They have the same beat on a reggae song, like a Jamaican reggae song, so you'll hear the beat beat on like three or four different songs like in an hour on the radio, on the local. You know hip hop stations and I bet you, the majority of these fucking kids listen to have no idea where that shit came from. They don't know that's a buster rhymes, fucking song. Ice spice even has a remix to her song with buster on it paying homage. You know, I'm saying I appreciate like all right, this is where I got it from. But like I'm on twitter all day and I'm talking to these 20 year olds and they're like, yeah, drake is the best ever, or yeah, 21 Savage, or whoever the fuck, and they have no idea what the fuck came before them and they don't care. That's the thing. Not only do they not know what came before them, they just don't even give a fuck because it doesn't exist. They came before them, so it doesn't exist. Like that's my biggest gripe.

Lindsey:

If we we had this availability of music at the tips of our fingers when we were coming up, we would have been able to hear whatever the fuck we wanted, because we wouldn't have had to save up to buy a used cd and we would have been able to just listen to anything whenever we wanted to. But we didn't have that, so we had blind spots. Because you can't buy everything. You didn't know somebody who had everything. Not everybody has like a jimmy green in their life, where the dude just has every piece of music that's been released in the past 40 years, you know what I mean for real.

Lindsey:

But we didn't have that. If we had apple music, spotify, whatever, any of these dsps, we could have just pushed a button and listened to any song, any album, any artist that we wanted to we could have gone through.

Jeff:

They have no excuse, none like they have everything at the palm of their hands, bro, they have everything, all the information they need they could listen to an entire artist discography like in a day.

Lindsey:

You know what I mean, and it wouldn't cost them anything. It would cost them the ten dollars a month that you know. The spotify or apple music subscription is that ten dollars? That bought us one, one cd. If we were lucky we could find you cd for five. So ten bucks would get us two. But you're talking about listening to two albums from whatever you know genre, whatever era we wanted, and these kids can listen to all of it and it cost them 10 bucks. It's just. The barrier to the access of the music is so much easier now and yet the desire to go back isn't there. We had that desire to go back and listen to what came before us, but we just didn't have the ability to listen to whatever whenever we wanted. Like, yeah, you can go into the CD store and if you were lucky they still had one of those cd listening stations so you could listen to something before you bought it I used to go to fucking barnes and noble and go right to the back because they had those listening stations.

Jeff:

Yep, and I would just sit there for hours. They'll just listen. They would let you listen to clips you can't listen to the whole song you can listen to like 30 seconds or a minute.

Lindsey:

Yep, and I would sit there and just listen to the songs and shit and it would give you an idea of okay, maybe this album isn't as good as I thought it was going to be, but this album is as good and this is a seems like it's good, but you still only had ten dollars and you still only were able to buy one cd, so it's like it was just it was more difficult and what I would do is you know, you get one of your boys like yo.

Jeff:

Let's split this shit. You put five, I'll put five, and then we share it and then we burn it.

Lindsey:

See, that's what I did, come like 10th grade that became available.

Jeff:

Yeah, but before that we used to just share.

Lindsey:

Like yo, I'm gonna hold it for a week you take it home, you know I mean then, you take it home for a week and me and my boys would do shit like that I, you dude, I fucking stole so many cds from my older cousin because he had a little bit.

Lindsey:

He had more money than me, like he had, uh that out to him yeah, you know, parents were, you know, buying them cds and shit, and so he had way more music than I did, especially in hip-hop. Um, so, before burners came out, I'm just like sliding something out of that you know 100 cd booklet. I'm sliding it out of his and I'm sliding it into mine. You know, shout out my. I took so many fucking cds over the years well, before we end this shit.

Jeff:

I mean it basically just comes down to entitlement and just respect, or lack thereof. You know what I mean? Because if I tell you, if I tell one of these new motherfuckers, yo, let me tell you my top five. My top five is naz jay-z. Now, all those fucking guys are washed. Those old guys are why what they're gonna tell me, right, they're gonna tell me that drake is on their list, maybe kendrick, you know, whoever, the fuck, little uzi, this and that whoever. And I'll be like, all right, fine, that's just trash to us. But if we heard when we were their age, if we heard an old, an old head tell us, you know, their top five was rakim flick rig, we wasn't gonna be like, oh, that's trash. That's why we was gonna be like, all right, we're gonna respect it.

Lindsey:

You know what I mean and we're gonna go do the fucking knowledge. We're gonna try and grab at least one rakim cd. We're gonna try and grab like an epPM CD. We want to see what everybody's talking about. If we respected the opinions of the people, who lived through the shit.

Jeff:

I would have old coworkers that were older than me and they would tell me that their top five was Rakim KRS-One, slick Rick, big Daddy, kane, you know what I mean. Like flash right and I'm like, oh okay, cool, that would make me go home and go try to find them so I could see what's up.

Lindsey:

Yeah, because they lived through this shit, like they know, in real time that made me actually appreciate a krs1 you know, I got him on my list now he's on.

Jeff:

You know. You go on my title and I got a bunch of his songs on my playlist now. You know know what I mean? Rakim, a fucking Big Daddy Kane. Because they inspired my guys, they inspired Nas, they inspired Big Pun. You listen to Nas. You listen to Big Pun. You're listening to fucking Coogee Rap and Big Daddy Kane. You know what I'm saying Absolutely. But now these young kids are like ah, fuck Nas, Fuck lyrics. What the fuck is lyrics? We're listening to vibes, bro. We're looking for vibes and shit. We don't give a fuck about lyrics, Vibes and production and pill popping and whatever. All right, cool.

Lindsey:

Yeah, it wasn't. It's just, it's not the same. I wish we could have had the access that this generation has to music because, oh my God, we would have been listening to absolutely fucking everything that we could. We didn't.

Jeff:

They don't have that fucking barrier of look, you can buy two cds this week and that's it. So you better make a fucking count. Like it's just when I tell you I get clowned by the old heads when I tell you, notice me. I've told you I like fucking car day, core day, right I like he's in his 20s and I respect him because he's lyrical and he collaborates with the old head. He got songs with eminem, little wayne, fucking naz, you know what I mean.

Jeff:

Like he pays respect to the ones that came before him and he doesn't fucking insult the fucking culture or the genre yeah you know I mean, and he's like, he's like in one of those, he's like in the middle, like the old heads are like, ah, fuck him. And then the young heads are like, oh, he's too lyrical for us, so I feel bad. He's like in the middle. You know what I mean.

Lindsey:

Like my top five changed over the years, like when I was, you know, a teenager, all through high school, maybe, even probably through high school it was, it was current artists that were all my favorites.

Lindsey:

And once I was really able to listen to Rock Him's albums, listen to Big Daddy Kane's albums, listen to Cool G Rap's albums, like holy shit, like my top five, top ten, whatever it changed drastically.

Lindsey:

Once I went back and started listening to all this music that came before me and like, don't get me wrong, big and poc still my one and two, and they were then and they're still now.

Lindsey:

But it was the other guys, the, it was cool g rap, it was rock him, it was guys like that who krs, who started to creep into my list and I'm like, holy shit, now I see where this guy got this from and now I see why, like you can track like the deliveries pre-rock him and post-rock Kim. You know what I mean. So you can see Rock Kim is like a catalyst for a major shift in hip hop and once you actually go back and listen to what was before, then listen to Rock Kim, then you listen to what came after, now you can see his influence and how severe it was on the way people were rapping and the more you listen you're like holy shit, I'm giving this guy credit for this and rock him. Is the one who started it? That like multi-syllabic whatever, where every syllable is rhyming with the corresponding syllable on the next line?

Lindsey:

right like not beyond. That's just the rhyme scheme. I'm talking about beyond the delivery, because rock him completely switched the delivery. It went from like dr seuss to holy shit.

Lindsey:

I didn't know people could fucking rap like this or some shit, and so, like his influences on lyricism, it's on delivery, it's on rhyme schemes and like guys like Eminem, like you see where the fuck this came from, when this is the man who created it, this is the man who evolved it, this is the man who made it what it was and made it possible for m to even spit like that for meth, or I wouldn't say red. Uh, red man probably spits a lot like rock him.

Lindsey:

Um yeah, it's the eminem's favorite, so you can see like where it comes from and it's just like holy shit man.

Jeff:

By the way, this is a con, this is a topic for another episode. But that new Eminem, I'm not fucking with that new Eminem song, bro, I'm sorry no, I agree like it's.

Lindsey:

However, I can also say I was never a big fan of those lead singles from any of the Slim Shady albums.

Jeff:

Like they were all catchy gimmicky, but they served their purpose. They were hokey, they were hokey as fuck.

Lindsey:

However, it was the formula that was always used. It was the formula that worked, and if he's bringing back Slim Shady, then you bring back that formula, and there are. I mean, those songs were huge. So even though we didn't like them, there was a big portion of the population out there for, like the general for the casuals. That's for the casuals, exactly that really fucked with that stuff and I'm not a huge fan. However, it's also not turning me off like his next single.

Jeff:

His next single will probably be the complete opposite of that song.

Lindsey:

I don't know if he's doing another. The album drops like, uh, less than a month. They said the date already. Yeah, he announced the date. It's like I want to say early july. It may even be end of june, I forget, but regardless, it's like if you judge sslp, fucking marshall mathers or even the eminem show, off those lead singles, like the rest of the albums sound nothing like those lead singles. They never did. Those were what the studio wanted. The studio made them do and after the success of my name is, they made them do another one on mmlp. And then they made them do another one on eminem show. Like he talks in interviews about how much he didn't want to do these fucking songs, how he doesn't like doing these fucking songs, but the studio is adamant about like, look, we need to get something on the radio, we need to get something catchy. We're just gonna rinse and repeat what you did on sslp with my name is, and they do that. However, the albums I mean.

Lindsey:

There's no denying like it's like jc said, I dumbed down for my audience and doubled my dollars this is a little bit more than dumb and down, though, like this is hokey, gimmicky, silly, just catchy radio shit, not to mention it's just a fucking blatant ripoff of the old single, which and I think it's whatever for sure, yeah but I'm not to judge the album based off of that, because you can't judge those other old albums based off of it.

Lindsey:

So I'm not going to do it. So I'm still. We'll see if he gets back into like that hunger which that's what three albums does not exist. Once you hit that level of success in anything, hunger goes away, like you're not gonna see somebody as passionate, as angry, as hungry to fucking prove themselves, to make and push boundaries, like everybody gets complacent for the most part once they hit that level of success but yo, lindsey man, thank you for stopping by bro.

Jeff:

When we're gonna work something, man revote records bro. When you're gonna, we're gonna make a mixtape, bro, I'll spit some shit. You put me out there. We got some shit.

Lindsey:

We got some stuff I got some of the uh. What do I know you?

Jeff:

you look like fucking pirates of the caribbean. Bro.

Lindsey:

You look like johnny depp I'm sure you've heard that shit, bro, with the fucking shit on the head.

Jeff:

Yo tell everybody where they can find you at. Man, we definitely got to do something. Man, shout out to the heights. Man, that's my crew, yo shout out to the patrons fucking.

Lindsey:

I got like. I got like five height songs in my fucking vault right now. You do right, I do. I got some of. I got some of that old shit.

Jeff:

Yeah what you know about this the world ain't ready. Yet the world ain't ready.

Lindsey:

We letting that shit marinate. I like it. We need to get you on something for sure. We got a lot of stuff. Get you on something from like Jules Jimmy. Yeah, you can find me Revolt Records on Twitter R-E-E-V-O-L-T Records and we have a new album coming out with a new artist that we just signed, k. It's in the works. It's being finished right now. Album should be out within the next three to four weeks. It's a little different than what we've done so far. It's just kind of like summertime pop, high energy, just kind of fucking vibes, and it's really enjoyable. What's your youtube? Revolt records. You can see some of the official lyric videos that we got up there. Some other videos. You can see some, uh, some green canine stuff which is jimmy green and canine. Shout out those two guys, they're fucking legends. We got jewels. We got cystic down in mississippi. We have, uh, my daughter, zaya, the opera singer.

Jeff:

We have one of her albums and she's dope, she got a voice bro yeah, she's got we use.

Lindsey:

Uh, what's cool is jewels has chopped up some of those opera vocals and he's thrown them in some of his beats and I love really well like choruses and shit or just choruses background.

Lindsey:

I gotta Skip the Kid beat. Shout out, skip the Kid who chopped up one of the. He chopped up Summertime and he made a sick fucking beat out of that. We still haven't used it. I'm waiting for the perfect person to put on it. But yeah, it's really cool when they chop up those vocals. But yeah, shout out, fucking fucking. Cala beats down in maryland. We got that ethereal tape that we put out. We got cystic jules k, jimmy green canine. We got quote, shout out.

Jeff:

Quote my partner gonna have to charge jimmy bro, we done. Shouted him out like five, six times already today you can find us man, everything's on there.

Lindsey:

We usually got links posted link tree, all that stuff.

Jeff:

Appreciate you, man. Shout out to my man, aunt um, check us out on youtube at the culture 2020. Go to our website, the cultureone. Shout out to our patreons I apologize, I haven't been putting out as much content as I was in the past, but we're getting there. Thanks for tuning in y'all.

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